Meet Jennie Hawley, the voice of Sue, Elaine’s overbearing, complicated and potentially narcissistic mother. Jennie talks sympathizing with Sue, Sue’s denial of Ellen’s illness, and her guilty pleasure music.

Listen to Season 2 on iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, and Youtube. If you’re not caught up with Season 1 or need a refresher, listen here before starting Season 2.

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Video produced and edited by Cari Zahn.