It has been a while since Terry, Dawn, and I got together for a chat about a Movie that we watched for our little movie club. Life got in the way for a bit there, for all of us I think. I wanted to make sure that we would have a chat for The Bad Man because I had special plans. Way back when I suggested that we all order The Bad Man, I was already friends with Ellie Church on Facebook. I was already planning on asking her to join our little chat as I made the suggestion. This was something I had been wanting to make happen, but I just never knew anyone from one of the movies we watched before now. I didn't know if Ellie would agree, but I had to try at least. When the time came around, she did agree to join us. Since I had Scott Schirmer's email address, I decided I would hit him up as well. The chat got delayed, again because of life getting in the way, but chat we did. You won't see me in the chat too much though. I held back because I wanted Terry and Dawn to have the chance to talk to Ellie and Scott. That was the whole reason that I invited them after all, to give my friends a chance to talk to them. We talked about The Bad Man some and a few other things as well. Enjoy!!



Heather: I'm here...with bells on.

Dawn: :)

Heather: Yay, how are you, Dawn?

Dawn: Glad to be off work! How was your day?

Heather: Not too bad today. I made it through without getting mad, too much, at anyone.

Dawn: SUCCESS!

Heather: I know Scott is around and Ellie will have to leave to get her son so I'm not sure how long she will be able to stay.

Dawn: AH, ok 😉

Heather: Once Terry gets here, I will add them in.

Dawn: Awesome.

Heather: Excited?

Dawn: Kinda a little bit, YEAH!

Terry: I'm here!

Dawn: Hi!

Heather: Yay Terry 🙂 How is Terry tonight?

Terry: Pretty good! How is everybody else? It's been a while since we did this!

Dawn: I'm super stoked!

Heather: Sure has been. I'm doing good. So, as you both know, I invited Scott and Ellie to join us tonight.

Dawn: YUSS YUSS YUSS

Heather: If you will, give me a moment and I will add them in.

Terry: Yes!

Dawn: Gotcha

Heather: Please welcome Ellie and Scott to our chat. 🙂

Dawn: Welcome, welcome, welcome the two of you!

Ellie: Heyyy

Scott: Howdy.

Dawn: How're things, Miss Ellie? HI there, Scott 🙂

Ellie: Doing great guys!

Terry: Howdy! Welcome!

Scott: I don't think I've ever done this before. Let me know if I'm doing it wrong!

Terry: Thank you both for doing this!

Dawn: Yeah, greatly appreciated.

Heather: Yes, thanks for taking the time to chat with us.

Ellie: I haven't either. I did my hair...lol

Dawn: I'm geekin' out just a tad.

Terry: Hahaha, we totally make this up as we go along!

Dawn: Mmmhhhmmm….

Terry: @Ellie Church It looks very nice!

Ellie: THANKS!

Dawn: Are we strictly talking The Bad Man tonight, guys?

Scott: I don't care. We don't have to talk about the movies at all!

Dawn: Cool. What's for dinner?

Terry: Yay, fashion questions!

Ellie: I want to ask Scott about his regularity.

Dawn: Hahahahha!!

Scott: I just had 10 Wendys Chicken Nuggets with BBQ sauce.

Dawn: That MIGHT help with his regularity...

Scott: Antibiotics make regularity hard.

Ellie: Stupid question...are we doing video? Or just chat?

Heather: We have always just done a chat.

Ellie: OK!

Terry: Well, we usually just chat.

Dawn: We have stuck with text, I'd need to do MY hair if we did video...

Heather: And poke fun at each other.

Dawn: Or a leather mask...

Scott: My anus is ready.

Terry: Yes, be prepared for typos and Freudian slips galore.

Dawn: Bwhahahahah!!

Ellie: My anus is not. It's all about my regularity.

Dawn: What did you think about the making of this film, Ellie? Were there any challenges for you?

Ellie: ACTIVIA! Lol, ok I'll get serious.

Scott: Ellie loved making the film.

Terry: Hahaha!

Dawn: It's good enough for Jamie Lee...

Scott: All of it was awesome. She wants to do it again. Next question.

Dawn: Hahahahha!!!

Ellie: Hahahaha, I do talk a lot about how this film was hard for me, but-

Terry: Um, she's in the room...

Dawn: Do you feel safe, Ellie? LOL

Terry: Was it actually very hard for you to do, compared to other films you've done?

Dawn: It was hard to watch at times. Took me a hot minute to pin it down, but finally realized that I was furious and wanted Lawrence to suffer. GREATLY.

Ellie: It was...but I love it, probably more than anything I've ever done. Because even though I keep saying I don't want to do distress roles anymore, I feel like I'm very experienced at it. Maybe that's how you do well. You get tired of doing the thing you've always done, and then maybe you're doing good at it because you're practiced?

Scott: Ellie freaks out real, real good.

Terry: Yes, she does.

Ellie: Just like studying a script. When you know you're sick to death of it...then you know you're off book. I don't like putting myself in those positions...I don't know how anyone could... But damn. It's a good movie man.

Terry: So, did Scott have to convince you to do the role?

Dawn: I've just been introduced to Ellie, this is my first film watching with you in it. Then I went on to watch Skeletons in the Closet. I'm hooked.

Heather: Just remember Dawn, Tery and I saw her first. 😛

Ellie: No. The only thing I needed to convince me to do this movie was to read the script. It horrified me. I loved it... I fought for it to be made because I loved it from the start.

Terry: Yes! Okay, we'll share...

Dawn: I know, I know... but I get next dibs...

Ellie: I'M NO SUMMER SAUSAGE.... I am kinda.

Heather: You said Ellie that you thought it would never get made, was there a reason for that?

Terry: Sure, but there's a difference between wanting to make a film and playing a part in it if you know what I mean.

Dawn: Bwahaha!

Ellie: It was ambitious. It was more expensive than most things we had done together. It was very hard to market.

Dawn: This is also my first Scott Schirmer film, but Heather has always had great things to say.

Ellie: It was always both for me. It was a passion project after I read it.

Scott: It was supposed to be my 2nd film, but Harvest Lake and Plank Face got in the way. So did Space Babes.

Dawn: I'll be moving on to those as well, Scott.

Scott: Ellie's in all these damned movies.... wow. What a ka-winky-dink!

Terry: I was just watching the De Palma documentary on Netflix and he says the same things about film projects. They don't necessarily happen in the order you intended.

Ellie: Lololol ...... You love me?

Dawn: It'd sure look that way...

Terry: Hahaha

Scott: Like a Golden Girl loves cheesecake.

Ellie: ❤️ I miss you

Terry: There's a genre!

Dawn: That and mixed with you are so damned believable on screen.

Scott: If she sucked more, she'd be having little roles with one line or something. But since she insists on NOT sucking, we have to keep giving her big shiny roles.

Terry: That'll teach her.

Ellie: Gimme another one!

Dawn: Are you all working on something new?

Scott: I am not.

Heather: Hopefully you will be soon Scott. You are too good not too.

Ellie: Me and Brian are writing. But I cannot talk about it at all.

Dawn: True that.

Scott: Bad Man sucked up January through October, like 100% completely. I'm still exhausted.

Ellie: Tell me about it...

Dawn: You already have... can't stop now. No take backsies.

Terry: @Scott Do you have other scripts already written or outlines, or would your next project you write be from scratch? Or haven't you even gotten that far yet?

Scott: I have one... two... three... four... at least four scripts lying around, but they're all way too expensive to shoot.

Ellie: That's how it goes...

Scott: It's getting very, very hard to make a movie,

Ellie: Word.

Scott: I basically like to have a location FIRST, and then write a script around it. That's how we did Harvest Lake, Plank Face, Space Babes, and Bad Man, pretty much.

Heather: Everything seems to be going up in price these days, I'm sure it is no different for all of you.

Dawn: Oh wow... so your ideas then speak to you based on the locations you find?

Scott: We can make a movie for 5 to 15 K, but the returns are ever-diminishing.

Ellie: I think locations are the hardest part for all of us.

Terry: I bet. I live in Western New York (Buffalo, Niagara Falls) and we have a pretty busy community of filmmakers, but they work with micro-budgets. Your production values are pretty high.

Scott: Yes. You can't just write whatever you want and then get lucky finding the locations you need. It's better to find out what locations you can get, and then write for them. Location scouting is the WORST part of filmmaking.

Dawn: God, that sounds difficult to go about it that way, but sounds like ya have to.

Terry: Sure. And 5-15 K is really low. I was wondering.

Ellie: I love location scouting for outdoor films, but for indoor locations, it's a major bitch.

Scott: Bad Man was supposed to take place in a house originally, but we couldn't find one, so we changed it to an old bed and breakfast that we COULD get.

Dawn: I thought it wove into the story pretty dang well!

Terry: Did the location put limitations on what you could do?

Ellie: I think we go SO lucky with the location for The Bad Man.

Scott: The Bad Man mansion was a great location. We could do whatever we wanted and we all slept and ate there, so it was ideal. But a lot of times, the location owners are off on the side glaring at you, pressuring you to hurry up and not damage their shit.

Terry: Sure. That's pressure, man!

Dawn: Were you there for the duration? October through January, did you say?

Scott: No, we shot for a week in January and 5 days in June. But I've been working on the editing, marketing, sound, and whatever else in between. I think the movie is finally finally for really real finished right now, though. I just finished the music & effects isolated tracks for foreign dubbing a few weeks ago.

Dawn: Oh wow!!

Scott: Making a movie without a Brian Williams IS NOT FUN.

Ellie: I wouldn't have minded staying that long!

Heather: A plot point that I was wondering about. Did Lawrence know that Mary and PJ would be there or was it just luck?

Scott: Omg, if we could take that long making a movie, it'd be the best movie ever.

Ellie: Right?!?

Dawn: He was hoping to bag the old bag, perhaps?

Terry: @Heather Good question!

Dawn: That's not nice of me... she was, after all, a very nice woman...

Scott: I honestly couldn't tell you. Originally, he followed Mary home. But the script got rewritten a few times. You're not supposed to notice things like that!

Dawn: He totally coulda been scoutin' old gramma... There's bound to be a niche for that in the underground sex trade...

Scott: I think if grandma were alive, she'd be in on it with the clown.

Terry: OMG, that's cynical!

Ellie: No grandmaaaaaaaa!

Scott: Maybe that should have been the twist: Grandma answers the door and Mary thinks she's saved, but then she shocks Mary with the cattle prod and takes her to the clown.

Dawn: HAHAHAHAHA! OH MY GOD!!

Scott: Like the movie's not bleak enough!

Dawn: A little after edits... Poof, it's magic.

Heather: Sorry, forensics has me noticing things. 🙂

Ellie: Your brain is black as night Schirms

Terry: That's actually a good twist. And fucking sick.

Dawn: I'd agree.

Scott: There's family films in here, I promise. Bad Man is the worst I'll ever make.

Dawn: You really think so?

Terry: Yeah... the Manson family. Sorry, old joke!

Dawn: Too depraved for you? Ba dum tiss, Terry!

Scott: I do. I'm not feeling this dark disturbing drama shit anymore.

Dawn: It definitely was that.

Scott: Drama, yes. Disturbing no. Life is too disturbing all on its own nowadays.

Heather: No more horror or just not as dark?

Dawn: I really did enjoy the way that Mary and PJ's relationship made me feel in the beginning of the film.

Ellie: Rom com?....... No

Terry: Well, as dark as it was, I thought Lawrence trying to change for Mary was a really interesting twist. But very sad and pathetic, too.

Scott: I'd like to do contemporary drama or comedy, or fun horror. No more bleak slit your wrist and die horror. I could do a rom com. Giving it serious thought.

Ellie: Yeah, I wouldn't not do one....

Heather: No matter what you try your hat on, I will be there to watch it.

Scott: Yay! One viewer for my gay rom com!

Terry: @Ellie Are there specific roles you're looking for, or mostly are you just open to other types of roles than the distressed types?

Dawn: And if you need a stand in who sucks, I can always pull a Wiseau for a minute "Oh, hi Mark'

Terry: Count me in!

Ellie: I will do more, but they would have to be REALLY GOOD..  I want to do more comedy. I want to be an idiot.

Heather: Wait, you aren't one already?

Ellie: Yeah, so it's perfect.

Dawn: I'm just starting on your library, Ellie and Scott. Can't wait to get caught up.

Ellie: Don't go too far back.......With mine anyway.

Dawn: That sounds intriguing...

Terry: All the way back to 2013!

Ellie: 2011, but who's counting.

Terry: Ah! Further still!

Ellie: ME . IM COUNTING.

Terry: BTW, I loved MANIA. It was the one film I actually saw at a festival and it was in town.

Ellie: It's mostly not available because it was so low budget, so that's good.

Heather: Terry is one up on your films on me because I haven't found it yet.

Dawn: Jeezy Creezy, finally took a peek at your imdb…. busy girl!

Ellie: Been trying..

Dawn: WOW

Terry: Yeah, MANIA isn't available on DVD yet, i don't think.

Ellie: Nope.

Terry: @Ellie and @Scott: Do you guys live anywhere near each other? I'm wondering how you initially crossed paths.

Scott: Ellie used to live near me in enlightened Indiana...But then came the dark times..

Ellie: We both lived in Indiana, that where we made 4 films?

Scott: And Ellie moved to.....Atlanta. (shivers)

Dawn: Oh my goodness, Georgia? I lived in Savannah for a time.

Scott: We did Headless, Wasco, Harvest, Plank, Babes, Bad.

Ellie: We are now I'm Atlanta. It's an 8 hour drive that I am willing to make

Terry: Atlanta has a pretty big film community, tho.

Dawn: Now I'm all the way over on the other side of the states.

Ellie: Meh

Terry: Or, so i've heard.

Ellie: It's who you know here. And I don't know anyone hardly. I made 3 films in the Midwest last year living in Atlanta.

Scott: Amazon Hot Box was near Atlanta, tho.

Heather: I have that one, I haven't watched it yet though.

Ellie: It was, that was the year before.. and it was planned before we moved here.

Terry: Lots of driving!

Scott: She's portable. Doesn't eat a lot. Or take up much space.

Ellie: Flying mostly, bit I had an injury that has since been taken care of.

Terry: Where's James Bickert located? And I know, I saw the fancy-schmancy box she comes in!

Scott: Except on the last day of shooting. Then we eat.

Ellie: He's in Atlanta.

Terry: Okay

Ellie: We shot that last November.

Heather: I got to meet him at a HorrorHound. He was fun to be around.

Ellie: He crazy.

Terry: Hahaha! Speaking of crazy, what's Arthur Cullipher's personality like in real life..?

Dawn: Yes, do tell.

Ellie: Scott, take the wheel.

Scott: I can't tell you the truth. It'd be illegal. Arthur is NUTS.

Ellie: Ok, I will too. Arthur is usually my security blanket on set. But I wasn't so fond of him on Bad Man ......

Scott: He's very sweet. Kinda smart. But nuts. His brain, man -- his stories. The pussy chickens.

Dawn: Because of his character, Ellie?

Ellie: The second part, I was fine with him,but in the mansion..not so much.

Dawn: LOL, pussy chickens?!

Ellie: Yes. He's a VERY good actor. Lol that too.

Scott: He is a very good actor.

Terry: So, is filmmaking some kind of therapy for you guys or something? Between Arthur playing Lawrence and Shane Beasley playing the nutso in HEADLESS...

Scott: The man loves vagina more than ANYONE has ever loved vagina in the history of the universe. Of that, I am absolutely certain.

Ellie: You are correct.

Terry: Um...

Dawn: Oh goodness... perfect part for him, then. 🙂

Scott: Shane and Arthur are like the FX guys who work in Hollywood -- they are usually also very good actors. So it just makes sense to cast them a lot of the time.

Terry: Well, that's awesome.

Dawn: The film part, I mean 😂

Scott: So the chicken has a big vagina on it.

Ellie: And they melt.

Scott: He's been working on 'Smut: The Movie' for years and years. I lived with him for 5 years and there are these clay chickens with big vaginas on them all over the apartment.

Dawn: Holy hell!

Terry: So... we're back to film as therapy.

Heather: He won't come after us for knowing will he? lol

Scott: I need a real therapist probably. Not sure these films are doing the trick.

Ellie: Probably will. Same.

Terry: @Heather Advice: Don't cluck around him.

Heather: I won't have anything to worry about then. Dawn on the other hand...

Dawn: Bwahahahahaha!!! You're probably right...

Scott: The pussy chickens sprout dicks, and he tore all the dicks off one day and piled them up in a chair. And then maintenance had to come and work on our air conditioning. They asked what the pile of dicks was for. THAT'S what living with Arthur is like.

Terry: 🙂 @Scott Since you brought it up, what does Brian Williams bring to a movie when you work with him?

Dawn: Oh my god, never a dull moment, sounds like.

Terry: Hahaha!

Scott: Brian will work as hard and as long and as diligently as you will, or he'll exceed you. It is extraordinarily rare to find someone who will match your energy and output like that. I've only met 2 and one is Brian.

Terry: That's awesome. I loved the cinematography in HARVEST LAKE.

Scott: He made that movie gorgeous.

Terry: Yes!

Heather: Is Brian working on anything?

Ellie: He's in the process of writing now.

Dawn: Will ya do the Kickstarter route again?

Ellie: Probably only for pre orders. That's usually how we roll.

Dawn: Ahhh… I thought it was for backing filming costs. I'm such a noob. 😂

Terry: I thought THE BAD MAN packaging was really impressive.

Dawn: Oh man, I just LOVED it!

Heather: Me too, was surprised at what came with the movie.

Scott: I like packaging shit.

Dawn: I'm a whore for packaging...

Terry: Is THE BAD MAN playing a lot of festivals?

Dawn: I'll buy anything if its got enough do-dads 'n extras.

Ellie: A lot of people do it that way.

Scott: I don't really submit the movies to any festivals. I like to have the premiere at one if I can, but after that, my audience already knows me and knows about the movie, so what's a festival going to do for me? I spent about $2K on festivals for 'Found', and most of the ones it played at solicited the movie for free. So i'm super picky.

Terry: I wasn't sure if that would help with marketing the film. If it helps get the film reviewed, for instance.

Scott: I'm pretty sure Nightmares FIlm Festival helped get Bad Man distribution in Germany, so it can definitely help. The festival awards are also probably what got Found its deals. But we had a VERY hard time trying to get anyone to buy Harvest, Plank, or Babes. We still haven't had any takers.

Dawn: So, you get better marketing through word of mouth, would you say?

Scott: All we can really do is Facebook and convention appearances for marketing. Nothing else seems to work. No one reads magazines or websites anymore. Marketing that way is just a waste of money, it seems.

Dawn: This kind of film making is something I can really get behind.

Terry: Hmmm. @Scott Schirmer Do you work on industrial films as a day job? If that's the right word for it.

Dawn:  just loved the FEEL of it, if that makes any sense. Go ahead, Terry, I'm interrupting.

Terry: Don't worry. These chats are always free-for-alls, by god!

Scott: I make book trailers -- trailers for books. And I edit audio books - removing the breaths from the narrators' recordings. It's TORTURE.

Terry: OMG

Dawn: Oh dear... I can imagine. And I don't want to,,,

Terry: That sounds like the subject for a horror film.

Scott: I wish filmmaking would sustain me, but it just doesn't. Hence, day job.

Dawn: I think you're doing smashing.

Scott: Coolio

Heather: What do the owners of the locations you have filmed at think of your subject matter?

Scott: They always assume you're making a porno.

Ellie: Lol, true

Scott: But when you tell them 'horror', they assume it's like some ABC Sunday Night movie horror movie. Not like 'Headless'... which they consider a porno.

Dawn: Bwahahahha!!  That's frickin awesome! I'd love to be a fly on the wall. Old ladies clutchin' their pearls.

Scott: We shot the 'Headless' portion of 'Found' at a location, but when it came time to make 'Headless' into a standalone feature, they wouldn't let us back. Cuz they saw the movie. Everything about locations sucks. I'm telling you.

Terry: Are they disappointed when it isn't? What's the community like where your film group works? I'm thinking about the extras for dead naked bodies in the pit for HEADLESS. Like, were they local people? I know you did FOUND and arthur did HEADLESS, but it was the same film company, right? Sorry. It's a variation on Heather's question. I'm a slow typer.

Heather: Stop copying me! 🙂

Scott: The Headless body pit was shot in October and it was freezing outside. It was everything we could do to scrounge up those people. Friends of friends, mostly. You can usually get extras for one day, but after they learn how boring making a movie is, you will NOT usually get them a second day. So we plan accordingly. Space Babes we shot all the extras in one day, for instance. There's no way they would have come back for a second day. Movie making really is boring when you're doing it.

Terry: Hahaha. C'mon, it's all glamour lying naked in the bloody mud!

Ellie: My dad showed up for two days....cause he rules.

Scott: They were drinking alcohol to try and stay warm. They could barely stop shivering. We tried to shoot them out as quickly as possible. I think they were out there for 20 or 30 minutes.

Dawn: What's the ultimate appeal for you, then? Your favorite part of the whole thing?

Terry: @Ellie Wait, your dad was a body in the pit?

Scott: Preproduction and post-production. Production is just absolute nonstop anxiety and torture.

Dawn: Aw, supportive dad! I can dig that.

Ellie: Oh! No, he was an extra in Space Babes. ...he started the slow clap...

Scott: Your dad in the body pit would have been something.

Ellie: For real....

Dawn: Oh, gosh... must watch immediately now!

Terry: Ah! That's a weird STD.

Ellie: Hahaha

Dawn: Oh, Terry

Ellie: MY DAD HAS SLOW CRABS?

Terry: Only the old ones.

Dawn: Time for me to run off in a minute, I gotta date with a hot guy, cheeseburgers and beeeeeeers!

Terry: This is a strange chat.

Dawn: I think I might talk him into watching Plank Face tonight. Oh my god, that is SO WONDERFUL!! Those things you never knew you really needed...

Terry: Now, THAT a PSA!

Heather: Have fun Dawn. Why not The Bad Man? Perfect date material that is.

Terry: Thumbs up!

Dawn: Hahahahaha!! Well, alright, if you insist!

Terry: Yes, have fun!

Dawn: Thanks for coming in and chattin' with us Scott and Ellie!

Terry: @Ellie Do you have any ambitions to direct?

Dawn: I'll be following ya!

Ellie: Maybe some day. But not right now. I'm not in the place for that yet.

Heather: Any acting for you Scott?

Scott: Fuck no!

Heather: lol

Scott: Bad enough I have to see this shit in the mirror every morning. Definitely not putting it in a movie.

Terry: HAHAHA!

Heather: Oh please,

Ellie: Lolol. Only if we take his dead body and Weekend at Bernie's him .

Heather: Have you been in one of your movies Scott? Like in the background somewhere?

Ellie: Yes! Yeeesss.

Terry: Let me guess, he's one of the people at the auction.

Ellie: Noooppppe

Scott: I'm in 'Found' for a second. And I'm heard in 'Babes' for just one word.

Ellie: Two words... "AND CARL"

Scott:  I suck at math.

Ellie: One , two, so similar.

Heather: At least you suck.

#jokefail

Terry: ????

Heather: Did I lose you Terry? lol

Terry: Nope, sorry. Hahaha! I read that weird.

Heather: Well it was a weird thing to say. I know you have to leave soon Ellie, but before you go, was it playing Mary that made you want to do the movie or just the story in general?

Ellie: I mean, as far as female roles go, Mary was the most involved in the story, and I was in love with the story.

Terry: @Scott You have an interesting approach to colliding "different cultures" in your film. On the one hand, it seems like a straight up genre approach: Mary and PJ are suddenly victims of this group who have these sexual fetishes. The couple in HOUSE OF HOPE meet the sister and brother who are religious fanatics. But then. in both of these, you have this arguably sympathetic moment for these characters who are the antagonists. Lawrence feels he wants to change, and the sister feels she's failed her faith.

Scott: I don't think I've ever thought about it that way, but sure! It's always more interesting to have shades of gray than just black and white.

Terry: Well, I think the sympathetic aspect is what makes your take on them interesting.

Scott: So I like complicating people's relationships with heroes and villains. No one's all good or all bad. Shakespeare's 'Titus' is really interesting in this regard. The hero becomes the villain and the villain becomes the hero. The scary thing about the antagonists in Bad Man and House of HOpe is that they have conviction in their beliefs. Being crazy is one thing, but having a religious or moral conviction about it makes it even scarier.

Terry: Yeah, in RED DRAGON when the Tooth Fairy is warming up to the blind woman, I was so confused as to whether or not I should root for him. Yes. No wonder you're having problems marketing these films! lol No one wants these complications! I'm only being half serious. I think the gray area is a great place for discussion and food for thought. I like how you have this epilogue with Mary and PJ in the tub and show how simply killing Lawrence doesn't end the story for them. There's still recovery.

Scott: Yeah, that was kinda the idea.

Ellie: Alright kids , gotta go pick up my kid.

Heather: Thanks for joining us Ellie. Really appreciate it.

Scott: I need to bail, too. Movers are coming and I gotta be up at 7:30.

Heather: Thank you as well Scott. 🙂

Scott: Thanks for your thoughtful reviews, everyone!

Ellie: Thanks guys.

Terry: @Ellie @ScottThnak you so much for doing this! It was a real treat! Good luck on marketing the film!

Scott: Thank you!

Heather: I will clean the chat up and post it to my blog in the next couple of days. I hope the two of you had fun.

Terry: OMG, Good luck with your move, too!

Scott: It's a never ending move, but tomorrow is the big part. Thanks!

Terry: @Heather Thanks for arranging all this, too!