grepunread,Jun 19, 2002, 2:21:48 AM
to Let’s talk about Minnesota.I moved here in the tail end of Nov. from San Francisco. My girlfriend and Ihad figured that we’d had enough of the bay area’s high rent and horriblecommute times. WE REALLY SHOULDA STAYED THERE, AND HERE’S WHY:1.) Finding a [system administrator’s] Job in Minnesota -Good luck. I’ve been here for almost 7 months now and I’ve only worked for 4of those months. Most of the job’s that are posted to job boards detail thesingle most *strangest* requirements for employment. Some examples are:”System Administrator wanted. Must also have 7+ years C++ experiencedeveloping e-commerce solutions.”, “system administrator wanted, must alsoassume responsibilities of full time security administrator as well asprimary Oracle administrator.”, “system administrator position availible,must also have experience faxing, filing and 10-key”.It would be annoying and frustrating if it weren’t so damn funny by now.Other people have described minnesota’s job postings as, `It looks like thepeople who own companies here just don’t know what they’re asking for in therealm of technology. It’s almost as if they have this geeky cousin who’sbeen playing with AOL for the past year, who makes these obscure jobrequirements up for his nutty CEO uncle.’2.) Parking in the twin cities [in winter] -Heh, good luck. There’s this really nifty law here called the “snowemergency” law that states you must park your car on either the odd side ofthe street or the even side of the street, depending on when they declarethis emergency. You’re supposed to know when to move your car, either bymonitoring the TV closely for three days or by word-of-mouth from friends. Icalled the city of Minneapolis and they *told me* that they do not yetbroadcast it on the radio. (This was as of 2001.) I asked her, “So, what ifmy girlfriend and I don’t own a television? Say for instance, we just liketo read alot? How would we know?”. Her reaction, “Who dosen’t own a TV?What’s wrong with you?”2a.) Parking *anywhere* in the `uptown’ area in Minneapolis -Once again, good luck. This is the “trendy” place to live. The brownstonebrick buildings are here, the apartments from 1940, wooden floors, etc..it’s all located here. It’s also populated with hipster student-types who”don’t like to work for the man”, (i.e. have a job making them $8/hr at thelocal coffee ***** .) These types like to buy cars, then park them on thesidestreets in uptown. It’s just like the white trash people who park themin thier yards? Well these lovely folks don’t have yards, so they park themon the limited-parking side streets and work on them there. Then they invitethier friends from North Dakota, Iowa and Wisconsin to drive over, help themwith thier cars and park on the side streets, so by the time they’re donegathering enough idiots, there’s a wall pf parked cars and the residentshave to park *blocks* away from thier home.You might think i’m kidding, but i’m totlly serious. It was recentlyfeatured on one of the minnesota public-access shows, basically broadcastingthe Minneapolis city government’s legistature about how the uptown area’sparking is the worst anywhere in the twin cities. They motioned to issueresident parking stickers, but WERE TURNED DOWN BECAUSE THE DIRECTOR OF THEDEPT. OF TRANSPORTATION FOR MINNESOTA THOUGHT IT COST TOO MUCH AND WASUNPREPARED FOR THAT QUESTION FROM THE LEGISLATOR!!!! No joke! He actuallyturned down the motion for those two reasons.3.) Minnesota Drivers -Drivers in New York are the worst, from what i’ve heard. After them come theLA drivers. Now, i’ve experienced the LA drivers and I can tell tou this..MINNESOTA DRIVERS ARE *MUCH* WORSE THAN LA DRIVERS!!!!There’s a big difference when you’re doing something behind the wheel of acar, (let’s say you’re cutting someone off, you’re swinging across two lanesof highway traffic to catch that exit you’re about to miss, etc., etc.. youknow what i mean) ..doing it with the deliberate intent and knowledge thatwhat you’re doing is dangerous and wrong, [this is the LA and NY way]. Thenthere’s the minnesota way, which involves doing things like that becauseYOU’RE SIMPLY TOO STUPID TO KNOW ANY BETTER!!! I’ve had people pull out infront of me over 60 times so far. 40 of them had the most *suprised* look onthier faces when I came within inches of taking off the paint on the side ofthier car. I’ve had people stopped at a stoplight, in the FAR LEFT LANE, THEFAR LEFT TURN LANE IN FACT, *wheel* thier car around and *park* slanted,angled towards the right turn lane.the examples could go on, and on, and on, and on, but i’ll stop here andspare you the rest of my sad story, in the hopes that i’ll get more peopleto post here.PERHAPS WE’LL START A MOVEMENT!!! AND WE’LL FINALLY FIX THINGS INMINNESOTA!!! YEAH!!! AND WE’LL LOBBY FOR….Screw that, i’m going back to california.-grep
Dreamspinner3unread,Jun 19, 2002, 9:32:08 AM
to Good riddance & don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.”grep” wrote in messagenews:aepbeb$8pqu7$1…@ID-53815.news.dfncis.de…
lazy manunread,Jun 19, 2002, 9:42:26 AM
to “grep” wrote in message news:…> Let’s talk about Minnesota.> > > I moved here in the tail end of Nov. from San Francisco. My girlfriend and I> had figured that we’d had enough of the bay area’s high rent and horrible> commute times. WE REALLY SHOULDA STAYED THERE, AND HERE’S WHY:So when are you moving back?You know, it may seem like a shitty state, but all those reasons youstate it sucks is really how we keep the riff raff out. It all weedsout the weak.
S. Smithunread,Jun 19, 2002, 9:57:36 AM
to On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:21:48 -0400, “grep” wrote:>Let’s talk about Minnesota.>>I moved here in the tail end of Nov. from San Francisco. My girlfriend and I>had figured that we’d had enough of the bay area’s high rent and horrible>commute times. WE REALLY SHOULDA STAYED THERE, AND HERE’S WHY:>>1.) Finding a [system administrator’s] Job in Minnesota ->>Good luck. I’ve been here for almost 7 months now and I’ve only worked for 4>of those months. Most of the job’s that are posted to job boards detail the>single most *strangest* requirements for employment. Some examples are:>”System Administrator wanted. Must also have 7+ years C++ experience>developing e-commerce solutions.”, “system administrator wanted, must also>assume responsibilities of full time security administrator as well as>primary Oracle administrator.”, “system administrator position availible,>must also have experience faxing, filing and 10-key”.Sounds like you need to get some real-world experience under your belt. Those nifty certifications and test scores won’t help you much in findinga real job right now. You need to actually be versatile and specialize in something, or several things, to have a leg up these days.>2.) Parking in the twin cities [in winter] ->>Heh, good luck. There’s this really nifty law here called the “snow>emergency” law that states you must park your car on either the odd side of>the street or the even side of the street, depending on when they declare>this emergency.Too confusing for you? Start riding the bus or walking instead. Driving abviously sounds too complicated for you.>2a.) Parking *anywhere* in the `uptown’ area in Minneapolis ->Once again, good luck. This is the “trendy” place to live. So avoid Uptown if you can. Easy enough problem to solve there.>3.) Minnesota Drivers ->>Drivers in New York are the worst, from what i’ve heard. After them come the>LA drivers. Now, i’ve experienced the LA drivers and I can tell tou this..>MINNESOTA DRIVERS ARE *MUCH* WORSE THAN LA DRIVERS!!!!>There’s a big difference when you’re doing something behind the wheel of a>car, (let’s say you’re cutting someone off, you’re swinging across two lanes>of highway traffic to catch that exit you’re about to miss, etc., etc.. you>know what i mean) ..doing it with the deliberate intent and knowledge that>what you’re doing is dangerous and wrong, [this is the LA and NY way]. Then>there’s the minnesota way, which involves doing things like that because>YOU’RE SIMPLY TOO STUPID TO KNOW ANY BETTER!!! Well, you won’t get much of an argument from me here. Minnesota drivers are some of the most careless and clueless drivers I’ve encountered, and I’ve driven all over the country. Still, I’ll take the clueless Minnesotadrivers over the California traffic (especially L.A.) any day.
S. Smithunread,Jun 19, 2002, 9:59:31 AM
to On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:32:08 -0500, “Dreamspinner3″ wrote:>”grep” wrote in message>news:aepbeb$8pqu7$1…@ID-53815.news.dfncis.de…>>> Screw that, i’m going back to california.>>>Good riddance & don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.I wonder if he drives a “classic” Volkswagen.
Bill Seurerunread,Jun 19, 2002, 10:03:46 AM
to grep wrote:> I moved here in the tail end of Nov. from San Francisco. My girlfriend and I> had figured that we’d had enough of the bay area’s high rent and horrible> commute times. WE REALLY SHOULDA STAYED THERE, AND HERE’S WHY:Good bye and enjoy the trip home!– – Bill at seurer.net http://www.seurer.net
Hell Toupeeunread,Jun 19, 2002, 10:17:16 AM
to grep griped:> > I moved here in the tail end of Nov. from San Francisco. My girlfriend and I> had figured that we’d had enough of the bay area’s high rent and horrible> commute times. WE REALLY SHOULDA STAYED THERE, AND HERE’S WHY:1a. Our rents are high and our commutes can be long, too. Didn’t youdo any research before you moved here?> 1.) Finding a [system administrator’s] Job in Minnesota -> > Good luck. I’ve been here for almost 7 months now and I’ve only worked for 4> of those months. The state reports these kinds of jobs here have had among the highestlayoff rates of all types of jobs over the past several months. Yourtiming was bad. > Other people have described minnesota’s job postings as, `It looks like the> people who own companies here just don’t know what they’re asking for in the> realm of technology. It’s almost as if they have this geeky cousin who’s> been playing with AOL for the past year, who makes these obscure job> requirements up for his nutty CEO uncle.’This can happen, yes. I’ve a sister in HR who says this is exactlywhat happens at the private company she works for. That’s not to sayit happens everywhere.> > 2.) Parking in the twin cities [in winter] -> > You’re supposed to know when to move your car, either by> monitoring the TV closely for three days or by word-of-mouth from friends. >I called the city of Minneapolis and they *told me* that they do not yet> broadcast it on the radio. (This was as of 2001.) I asked her, “So, what if> my girlfriend and I don’t own a television? Say for instance, we just like> to read alot? How would we know?”.Or hey, Mr. Computer Expert Guy, you *could* Google for the City ofMinneapolis’ Snow Emergency Website and click ‘Subscribe’ to get thelatest announcements in email! But I guess you’d have no idea how todo that – or even be able to imagine looking it up. After all, stufflike the internet and email has absolutely no relationship whatsoeverto your area of expertise. > 2a.) Parking *anywhere* in the `uptown’ area in Minneapolis -> Once again, good luck. This is the “trendy” place to live. Is that why you chose to live there? Again, didja do _any_ researchbefore moving here, or didn’t that thought cross your mind? There area lot of places here to rent which have offstreet parking…even ifthey aren’t located in the ‘trendy’ part of town. Heck, you wouldn’thave even had to worry about folks fixing their cars on the streetshad you spent a little time and effort looking around before signingthat lease.> You might think i’m kidding, but i’m totlly serious. It was recently> featured on one of the minnesota public-access shows, basically broadcasting> the Minneapolis city government’s legistature Minneapolis city government doesn’t include a legislature. The Stategovernment does, though.>about how the uptown area’s> parking is the worst anywhere in the twin cities. They motioned to issue> resident parking stickers, but WERE TURNED DOWN BECAUSE THE DIRECTOR OF THE> DEPT. OF TRANSPORTATION FOR MINNESOTA DOT doesn’t have a director. It has a commissioner, though. Are yousure you were compos mentis when you were watching whatever youthought you were watching?>THOUGHT IT COST TOO MUCH AND WAS> UNPREPARED FOR THAT QUESTION FROM THE LEGISLATOR!!!! No joke! He actually> turned down the motion for those two reasons.The DOT doesn’t get involved in these issues. It’s a city issue. Thecity council can pass an ordinance requiring permit parking withoutrequiring the DOT or even the Met Council to get involved. In fact,that’s what they’ve done in several other neighborhoods. Were youactually watching a show, or are you repeating what you thought youheard someone telling you? Do you have, perhaps, a comprehensionproblem? That might explain your ongoing unemployment. > 3.) Minnesota Drivers -> > Drivers in New York are the worst, from what i’ve heard. After them come the> LA drivers. Them’s fightin’ words. Anyone who’s ever lived here knows MN driversare the worst. The best part of an outstate vacation is experiencingdriving in other states. The secret, you see, is to discourage morefolks from moving here. Our highway infrastructure wasn’t built tohandle any more.> Screw that, i’m going back to california.Like the bumper sticker says, “Welcome to Minnesota. Now go home.”HellT
Mike O’Brienunread,Jun 19, 2002, 10:36:39 AM
to “grep” wrote in messagenews:aepbeb$8pqu7$1…@ID-53815.news.dfncis.de…> Let’s talk about Minnesota.> I moved here in the tail end of Nov. from San Francisco. My girlfriend andI> had figured that we’d had enough of the bay area’s high rent and horrible> commute times. WE REALLY SHOULDA STAYED THERE, AND HERE’S WHY:So, on your way back why don’t you go camping for a week–say somewhere inColorado? Be sure to bring your marshmallows and weenies…Regards,Mike O’Brien O _ \ _/\,%) (*)—–(*) recumbents rock!
Bill Seurerunread,Jun 19, 2002, 10:37:11 AM
to S. Smith wrote:> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:21:48 -0400, “grep” wrote:>>2a.) Parking *anywhere* in the `uptown’ area in Minneapolis ->>Once again, good luck. This is the “trendy” place to live. > > So avoid Uptown if you can. Easy enough problem to solve there.Thinking about it this is the weirdest of his “sucks” arguments. Someone from SAN FRANCISCO complaining about parking?!?!?!
Shawn Barnhartunread,Jun 19, 2002, 10:53:16 AM
to “grep” wrote in messagenews:aepbeb$8pqu7$1…@ID-53815.news.dfncis.de…> 1.) Finding a [system administrator’s] Job in Minnesota ->> It would be annoying and frustrating if it weren’t so damn funny by now.>> Other people have described minnesota’s job postings as, `It looks likethe> people who own companies here just don’t know what they’re asking for inthe> realm of technology. It’s almost as if they have this geeky cousin who’s> been playing with AOL for the past year, who makes these obscure job> requirements up for his nutty CEO uncle.’I’ve actually heard this type of complaint from MN natives and haveexperienced it to a lesser degree myself.I think there are a lot of industries where IT is relatively new andincorrectly percieved by many in senior management positions as relativelyunimportant to their core business function. The outcome of this is that ITsalaries, management and decision-making weight are all below where theyshould be. I’ve also talked to people who actually have real, academic-typemanagement backgrounds who say that this is a common weakness in amanagement culture that’s heavily oriented towards marketing and sales.I’ve known people that were looking for work when work was plentiful whohave complained about places that wanted “the world” in terms of experienceand skills but were paying wages that were laughable or expected you to notonly do development, but maintain operation systems (email, filesharing)*and* provide desktop support for end users. It comes back to theimportance of IT to the organization — its not important so salaries andheadcounts are low requiring the wearing of (too) many hats, managementadvancement based on seniority/loyalty or how willing you are to fix theboss’ home computer.> 2a.) Parking *anywhere* in the `uptown’ area in Minneapolis -> Once again, good luck. This is the “trendy” place to live. The brownstone> brick buildings are here, the apartments from 1940, wooden floors, etc..I lived Uptown for 5 years (25th and Dupont) and never had a problemparking. At the farthest I parked half-block from my apartment. I asked afriend who still lives there (26th and Freemont) and he said the same thing.> 3.) Minnesota Drivers -I wonder if the MN driver situation is a small-town-to-big-city phenomena.A lot of people in the MN area didn’t grow up here, they grew up in smalltowns in MN, ND, SD, WI and so on. When you learn to drive in a small townand learn many of your basic driving responses there you have a differentattitude towards traffic, what kinds of stunts you can pull, etc. My wifegrew up in a small town in ND and she does all kinds of stupid things thatwould be perfectly logical where there’s little or no traffic but which makemy skin crawl in traffic.Many CA drivers or other urban areas might not have the kind ofsmall-town-big-city migration patterns the Twin Cities have — the peoplewho live there learned to drive there and still do so and have adaptedbetter to the traffic patterns.I know, its a stereotype and doesn’t account for everything but it kind ofmakes sense.> Screw that, i’m going back to california.Enjoy. Northern CA is pretty and you can’t beat SF restaurants. I wouldn’tlive in SoCal unless I was really rich and could afford the drugs to blur mysenses…
S. Smithunread,Jun 19, 2002, 11:13:01 AM
to On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:37:11 -0500, Bill Seurer wrote:>S. Smith wrote:>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:21:48 -0400, “grep” wrote:>>>>>>2a.) Parking *anywhere* in the `uptown’ area in Minneapolis ->>>Once again, good luck. This is the “trendy” place to live. >> >> So avoid Uptown if you can. Easy enough problem to solve there.>>Thinking about it this is the weirdest of his “sucks” arguments. >Someone from SAN FRANCISCO complaining about parking?!?!?!Well, Uptown’s parking situation does suck, especially on the busy weekends. I used to rent a house at 28th and Girard, years ago, and I could almost never find street parking in front (or even near) the house. The parking situation has only gotten worse thereover the years, IMO.
Dan Goodmanunread,Jun 19, 2002, 11:56:31 AM
to Bill Seurer wrote in news:3D10A527…@seurer.net:> S. Smith wrote:>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:21:48 -0400, “grep” wrote:>>>2a.) Parking *anywhere* in the `uptown’ area in Minneapolis ->>>Once again, good luck. This is the “trendy” place to live. >> >> So avoid Uptown if you can. Easy enough problem to solve there.> > Thinking about it this is the weirdest of his “sucks” arguments. > Someone from SAN FRANCISCO complaining about parking?!?!?!Maybe public transit has _really_ caught on there since your last visit?
Thomas T. Veldhouseunread,Jun 19, 2002, 12:41:49 PM
to I don’t blame you. The road system has been screwed up here for adecade. They have mismanaged projects and funding and now they havethe balls to say they need more money. Yes they do, but I sure ashell am not giving it to such an inefficient system if I can help it.They need to lay waste to MNDOT and form another company withexperience in other cities and no connection to the currentbureaucrats.Tom VeldhouseOn Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:21:48 -0400, “grep” wrote:>Let’s talk about Minnesota.
Bill Seurerunread,Jun 19, 2002, 12:57:15 PM
to Dan Goodman wrote:> Maybe public transit has _really_ caught on there since your last visit?Actually, that’s one of the coolest things about SF; the cable cars and BART are lots of fun to ride, at least for visitors. I went there for vacation one time and that’s the only thing my now teen aged daughter remembers about the trip. We spent 5 days vacationing in SF without needing a car.
S. Smithunread,Jun 19, 2002, 2:14:03 PM
to On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:57:15 -0500, Bill Seurer wrote:>Dan Goodman wrote:>>> Maybe public transit has _really_ caught on there since your last visit?>>Actually, that’s one of the coolest things about SF; the cable cars and >BART are lots of fun to ride, at least for visitors. I went there for >vacation one time and that’s the only thing my now teen aged daughter >remembers about the trip. We spent 5 days vacationing in SF without >needing a car.I would have to agree. I was just out in San Francisco for work a couple months ago and I never needed a car. They have a good concept of how public transportation should work. I took the BART in from the airport to my hotel downtown and it was easy and cheap(albeit not the fastest way to get there). Cable cars, buses and taxis were everywhere I needed one. If only L.A. could get remotely close to the level of public transportation that SF has, it might actually be a tolerable city to get around in, rather than a never-ending traffic nightmare.Minneapolis has a long way to go in regard to public transportationand traffic infrastructure, that much is certain.
Brian G. Muellerunread,Jun 19, 2002, 2:51:02 PM
to “grep” wrote in messagenews:aepbeb$8pqu7$1…@ID-53815.news.dfncis.de…> Let’s talk about Minnesota.>>> I moved here in the tail end of Nov. from San Francisco. My girlfriend andI> had figured that we’d had enough of the bay area’s high rent and horrible> commute times. WE REALLY SHOULDA STAYED THERE, AND HERE’S WHY:>>> 1.) Finding a [system administrator’s] Job in Minnesota ->> Good luck. I’ve been here for almost 7 months now and I’ve only worked for4> of those months. Most of the job’s that are posted to job boards detailthe> single most *strangest* requirements for employment. Some examples are:> “System Administrator wanted. Must also have 7+ years C++ experience> developing e-commerce solutions.”, “system administrator wanted, must also> assume responsibilities of full time security administrator as well as> primary Oracle administrator.”, “system administrator position availible,> must also have experience faxing, filing and 10-key”.>> It would be annoying and frustrating if it weren’t so damn funny by now.>> Other people have described minnesota’s job postings as, `It looks likethe> people who own companies here just don’t know what they’re asking for inthe> realm of technology. It’s almost as if they have this geeky cousin who’s> been playing with AOL for the past year, who makes these obscure job> requirements up for his nutty CEO uncle.’You also realize that tech jobs took a hit recently, don’t you? There arenow far too many administrators for far too few systems.> 2.) Parking in the twin cities [in winter] ->> Heh, good luck. There’s this really nifty law here called the “snow> emergency” law that states you must park your car on either the odd sideof> the street or the even side of the street, depending on when they declare> this emergency. You’re supposed to know when to move your car, either by> monitoring the TV closely for three days or by word-of-mouth from friends.I> called the city of Minneapolis and they *told me* that they do not yet> broadcast it on the radio. (This was as of 2001.) I asked her, “So, whatif> my girlfriend and I don’t own a television? Say for instance, we just like> to read alot? How would we know?”. Her reaction, “Who dosen’t own a TV?> What’s wrong with you?”And, you apparently have access to a computer, and these alerts are easilyfound online. In fact, when I lived in Minneapolis, I never used the TV forthis info.> 2a.) Parking *anywhere* in the `uptown’ area in Minneapolis -> Once again, good luck. This is the “trendy” place to live. The brownstone> brick buildings are here, the apartments from 1940, wooden floors, etc..> it’s all located here. It’s also populated with hipster student-types who> “don’t like to work for the man”, (i.e. have a job making them $8/hr atthe> local coffee ***** .) These types like to buy cars, then park them on the> sidestreets in uptown. It’s just like the white trash people who park them> in thier yards? Well these lovely folks don’t have yards, so they parkthem> on the limited-parking side streets and work on them there. Then theyinvite> thier friends from North Dakota, Iowa and Wisconsin to drive over, helpthem> with thier cars and park on the side streets, so by the time they’re done> gathering enough idiots, there’s a wall pf parked cars and the residents> have to park *blocks* away from thier home.That’s interesting. I lived on Garfield and 22nd for over a year and neverhad a problem parking. I never parked more than a block and a half from myapartment, even in winter. I never had a problem with snow emergenciesbecause I knew about them and anticipate then and tries to get info inadvance. And, I most certainly was not someone who you most carelesslycharacterize as “not wanting to work for the man.”The reality of the situation hit home when I was talking to our building’smanager. He had lived in Chicago, where parking was so bad that he had totake a bus to get to his car.A situation is only as bad a syou make it.> Screw that, i’m going back to california. Well, you can either whine about it, change it, or leave. I can understandsome of your frustration, but I can also say I will not be sorry t see yougo, if that’s what you decide.> -grepBGM
Bill Seurerunread,Jun 19, 2002, 2:42:50 PM
to S. Smith wrote:> Minneapolis has a long way to go in regard to public transportation> and traffic infrastructure, that much is certain.SF is a *LOT* more compact than even the old parts of Minneapolis, though. Being on a peninsula really limited the available land so people made do with a lot less space than here. It is fun to pick up one of the property magazines/inserts while there and see the prices people ask for places that wouldn’t get 1/5th (maybe 1/10th) of that here.
Mike Schneiderunread,Jun 19, 2002, 3:35:57 PM
to In article , “Dreamspinner3″ wrote:> Good riddance & don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.Congratulations: You win the “I was the first sucker to fall for thistroll” prize.– http://groups.yahoo.com/group/American_Liberty/files/links.htmReply to mike1@@@usfamily.net sans two @@, or your reply won’t reach me.”Blood! Boobs! Swords! Snakes!”–fwfr.com four word film review of “Conan”
Kunread,Jun 19, 2002, 4:43:01 PM
to “grep” wrote in messagenews:aepbeb$8pqu7$1…@ID-53815.news.dfncis.de…> Let’s talk about Minnesota.Well, I can’t comment on the other parts, but I have to say that I agreewith you about the driving — I learned to drive in San Jose, spent a lot ofdriving years in Milwaukee area and Chicago area as well, and I have to say,I think this is about the worst.As far as the parking in Uptown . . . maybe you’d prefer the burbs?Job market in that field seems to be bad everywhere, I don’t think it’s justa Minnesota phenomena.There are a lot of positives to be experienced here . . . but when you hitthe negatives first thing, it can be a little hard to get past them see therest (transplant here myself, didn’t like it one tiny little bit the firsttwo years, spent a lot of long weekends interviewing to try and move backwhere I came from, and it didn’t work out– now, I probably wouldn’t leave).Maybe after experiencing a summer here, you would feel differently? Just athought.
Dan Goodmanunread,Jun 19, 2002, 4:23:49 PM
to “Brian G. Mueller” wrote innews:uh1nd3m…@corp.supernews.com: > That’s interesting. I lived on Garfield and 22nd for over a year and> never had a problem parking. I never parked more than a block and a> half from my apartment, even in winter. I never had a problem with> snow emergencies because I knew about them and anticipate then and> tries to get info in advance. And, I most certainly was not someone> who you most carelessly characterize as “not wanting to work for the> man.” > > The reality of the situation hit home when I was talking to our> building’s manager. He had lived in Chicago, where parking was so bad> that he had to take a bus to get to his car.In New York City, some car owners leave their cars parked in New Jersey.
Daniel Snyderunread,Jun 19, 2002, 6:48:23 PM
to In article , “grep” wrote:> Let’s talk about Minnesota.> > > I moved here in the tail end of Nov. from San Francisco. My girlfriend and I> had figured that we’d had enough of the bay area’s high rent and horrible> commute times. WE REALLY SHOULDA STAYED THERE, AND HERE’S WHY:I won’t read any further than this and merely reply “don’t let the door hit you…”And take Jesse with you!
S. Smithunread,Jun 19, 2002, 6:49:57 PM
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In many companies, IT professionals come in many flavors and often havemultiple responsibilities. It’s really not that unusual to find IT managers and support staff wearing many hats (i.e. network admin, info security,app development, training, etc.). What often happens is that someone is hired for a specific job, but they eventually work their way into handling multiple functions and areas of expertise. When they leave, companies often look for someone to fill the same functions (which is usually expectingtoo much). I really don’t think Minnesota is that unusual in this scenario, I see it happenall over the country. Although, not nearly as often lately, many of thosejobs just aren’t there anymore…which is another reason so many peopleend up forced into handling multiple job functions, they are really doingthe work of more than one person these days due to layoffs and cutbacks.>> 2a.) Parking *anywhere* in the `uptown’ area in Minneapolis ->> Once again, good luck. This is the “trendy” place to live. The brownstone>> brick buildings are here, the apartments from 1940, wooden floors, etc..>>I lived Uptown for 5 years (25th and Dupont) and never had a problem>parking. At the farthest I parked half-block from my apartment. I asked a>friend who still lives there (26th and Freemont) and he said the same thing.25th is probably far enough away from the hub of Hennepin and Lake, sothat’s why you didn’t see parking issues often there. In fact, I often had to park down around 26th or 27th street when I lived at Girard and 28th, becausethat’s where the parking was usually more available. The closer you getto Hennepin and Lake, the tougher the parking gets to find.>> 3.) Minnesota Drivers ->>I wonder if the MN driver situation is a small-town-to-big-city phenomena.>A lot of people in the MN area didn’t grow up here, they grew up in small>towns in MN, ND, SD, WI and so on. When you learn to drive in a small town>and learn many of your basic driving responses there you have a different>attitude towards traffic, what kinds of stunts you can pull, etc. My wife>grew up in a small town in ND and she does all kinds of stupid things that>would be perfectly logical where there’s little or no traffic but which make>my skin crawl in traffic.>>Many CA drivers or other urban areas might not have the kind of>small-town-big-city migration patterns the Twin Cities have — the people>who live there learned to drive there and still do so and have adapted>better to the traffic patterns.>>I know, its a stereotype and doesn’t account for everything but it kind of>makes sense.Possibly, but I think by and large it’s just because people here are a little more slow-witted behind the wheel than most. Is slow-witteda common small town trait? ;)>> Screw that, i’m going back to california.>>Enjoy. Northern CA is pretty and you can’t beat SF restaurants. I wouldn’t>live in SoCal unless I was really rich and could afford the drugs to blur my>senses…After living in L.A., I swore I’d never live in Southern California again either. If I had to live in California, it would have to be Northern California, somewherelike SF, Sacramento or San Jose.
Lutsen Lumberjackunread,Jun 19, 2002, 8:28:10 PM
to “grep” wrote in message news:…> Let’s talk about Minnesota.>> I moved here in the tail end of Nov. from San Francisco. My girlfriend and I> had figured that we’d had enough of the bay area’s high rent and horrible> commute times. WE REALLY SHOULDA STAYED THERE, AND HERE’S WHY:I’m a native Minnesotan and I couldn’t agree more. I lived 5 years inthe Bay Area and often yearn to move back. > 1.) Finding a [system administrator’s] Job in Minnesota – […]The job market here is very rigid, inflexible — it’s largelycontrolled by stiff-shirt Wasp suburbanites. Since you’re from theBay Area, you must realize that “suburbs” in the Twin Cities sensedon’t exist everywhere. Even Concord or Walnut Creek, seen by SanFrancisco as “boring”, don’t even come CLOSE to the social strictureof the inner ring of suburbs here. Instead of Roseville or AppleValley, the Bay Area has vibrant alternatives such as Mill Valley orBerkeley. It’s sort of as if the suburbs here were all likeStillwater or Hudson. Even Concord or Walnut Creek, perceived by theBay Area as “boring”, don’t come close to a Bloomington or St. LouisPark in this regard.People from these surrounding towns largely control the Twin Citiesbusiness and technology communities. As with society in general, jobrequirements are rigid. This is in high contrast to the Bay Area,where a more free and easy-going atmosphere prevails in the jobmarket.> 2.) Parking in the twin cities [in winter] -> > Heh, good luck. There’s this really nifty law here called the “snow> emergency” law […]This is really a problem, but at least they readily admit it here.> 2a.) Parking *anywhere* in the `uptown’ area in Minneapolis -> Once again, good luck. This is the “trendy” place to live. […]Parking is bound to be a problem because it is THE trendy place tolive around here. In California, a person has so many trendy choices! But the stiff nature of society here has “permitted” only one trendyneighborhood to exist. And I have to say though, you being fromCalifornia must realize that there is also an element of kidsyQUASI-trendiness to Uptown as well. The local, provincial elements doalso show through at times. > 3.) Minnesota Drivers -> > Drivers in New York are the worst, from what i’ve heard. After them come the> LA drivers. Now, i’ve experienced the LA drivers and I can tell tou this..> MINNESOTA DRIVERS ARE *MUCH* WORSE THAN LA DRIVERS!!!! […]I’ve been around the country and I have to agree. But since mostpeople are from here we’ve gotten used to how to “read” the behaviorof the surrounding cars. I still think it’s worse in New York andback east in general.> PERHAPS WE’LL START A MOVEMENT!!! AND WE’LL FINALLY FIX THINGS IN> MINNESOTA!!! YEAH!!! AND WE’LL LOBBY FOR….> Screw that, i’m going back to california.I wish you well. Though most outsiders end up leaving, therebymaintaining the local nature of Minnesota, I surely cannot blame them!
Lutsen Lumberjackunread,Jun 19, 2002, 8:35:01 PM
to lazy…@yahoo.com (lazy man) wrote in message news:…> > You know, it may seem like a shitty state, but all those reasons you> state it sucks is really how we keep the riff raff out. It all weeds> out the weak.I’ve heard this “riff raff” crap once too often! Believe me,Minnesotans don’t have to try — the riff raff just never makes ithere to begin with!Greenland has never been in a war. They all lead peaceful, relaxedlives. But that doesn’t detract from the fact that Greenlanders areviewed as pathetic by most people from the Real World. Similarly,Minnesotans are often seen as pathetic, loutish, an “I feel sorry foranyone with half a brain who lives there” kind of place.Sure, you keep the organized crime, prostitution, and similar thingsat bay. But on the other hand low-lifers continue to move here forthe welfare benefits. To me it sounds like something from Karl Marx!
Dreamspinner3unread,Jun 19, 2002, 8:50:46 PM
to You’d think I’d recognize them by now, wouldn’t you? On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:35:57 GMT, mike1S…@usfamily.net (Mike Schneider) wrote:>>Congratulations: You win the “I was the first sucker to fall for this>troll” prize.—–Dreamspinner3Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/dreamspinner3/ICQ: 48547727
S. Smithunread,Jun 19, 2002, 8:56:04 PM
to On 19 Jun 2002 18:28:10 -0700, lut…@howamazing.com (Lutsen Lumberjack) wrote:>I’m a native Minnesotan and I couldn’t agree more. I lived 5 years in>the Bay Area and often yearn to move back.What’s stopping you?
Plutarchunread,Jun 19, 2002, 11:32:47 PM
to grep wrote:> Screw that, i’m going back to california.Tell your friends how bad it is here, too, would you?
Plutarchunread,Jun 19, 2002, 11:34:28 PM
to Lutsen Lumberjack wrote:> lazy…@yahoo.com (lazy man) wrote in message news:…> >> > You know, it may seem like a shitty state, but all those reasons you> > state it sucks is really how we keep the riff raff out. It all weeds> > out the weak.>> I’ve heard this “riff raff” crap once too often! Believe me,> Minnesotans don’t have to try — the riff raff just never makes it> here to begin with!>> Greenland has never been in a war. They all lead peaceful, relaxed> lives. But that doesn’t detract from the fact that Greenlanders are> viewed as pathetic by most people from the Real World. Similarly,> Minnesotans are often seen as pathetic, loutish, an “I feel sorry for> anyone with half a brain who lives there” kind of place.Yupper. That’s why Bush & Co. are dropping somany bucks on Minnesota.
S Sheldonunread,Jun 19, 2002, 11:38:48 PM
to “grep” wrote in messagenews:aepbeb$8pqu7$1…@ID-53815.news.dfncis.de…>> 1.) Finding a [system administrator’s] Job in Minnesota ->What’s a system administrator do?
S Sheldonunread,Jun 19, 2002, 11:53:45 PM
to “Shawn Barnhart”
