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MGoPodcast 15.4: They're Not Friends Anymore

MGoPodcast 15.4: They're Not Friends Anymore
BlueBarron September 25th, 2023 at 7:00 AM

2 hour and 34 minutes

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1. Offense vs Rutgers

Starts at 1:00

Traditionally, this podcast has always started without Lou Holtz, but we challenge him to come here. JJ kept the ball a lot, it felt like Michigan took this game seriously. We’re starting to get worried about Donovan Edwards’ run game, he’s leaving yards on the field. Blake Corum looks like he’s all the way back, though, the offensive line will probably grade out well overall. LaDarius Henderson was playing on and off. It feels like we’re at the floor at tackle as far as preseason expectations go, we’re in game four and don’t know who the starters are. JJ’s first few throws were questionable or inaccurate, but then he leveled out. When’s the last time they threw a tunnel screen? Semaj Morgan looked good but he’s small out there. We think the cyan worked? The flea flicker was from Super Tecmo Bowl. Get Trente Jones the ball! The amount of times JJ ran felt about right also, good that he always got out of bounds. Max Bredeson’s blocking has been great. 

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2. Defense vs Rutgers

Starts at 39:34

Rod Moore lets a 69 yard touchdown get by and then gets benched for a bit, Quentin Johnson came in and looked pretty good again. Rutgers got the edge a couple times. The only other time they were able to move the ball was when Wimsatt was possessed by the ghost of Unstoppable Throw God Trevor Siemian for half a drive. Rutgers couldn't move the ball against the starting defensive line but were able to push the backups around. Linebackers played great, Mike Barrett looked like a fully weaponized middle linebacker. Haussmann had a really good game, Junior Colson is just not making mistakes in the run game. Mike Sainristil absolutely dump trucked Junior Colson during his interception. Everyone thinks the play is dead except Mike Sainristil and Kenneth Grant, who is impossibly fast for his size here. Michigan defeats the number one thing Rutgers had, which was a running back lead block for the quarterback. Rutgers felt like a much more functional football team this year. 

3. Hot Takes, Game Theory, and Special Teams

Starts at 1:00:38

Brian's Hot Takes voice was actually just a Ryan Day impression this whole time. Aussie punters are annoying, we don’t like it. Thaw needs to get to that ball, someone else should be spotting it. Tommy Doman kicked a punt that still hasn’t landed yet. The officials had a day, good thing it was a Ref Day in a game where it didn’t matter. The Loveland first down was really bad, they marked a clear 3rd and 1 from Donovan Edwards short, they called a pass interference after a receiver gave up on the route. Why do you hate Michigan, KYLE?! They’ve been slow out of the huddle and had to call timeouts twice. Kalel Mullings could very well be the starter next year, and maybe even take some carries away from Edwards this season. 

4. Around the Big Ten with Jamie Mac

Starts at 1:27:45

Ohio State - 17
Notre Dame - 14

Defensive battle with a lot of drives that end on 4th down. Notre Dame bottles up Ohio State’s passing attack and short yardage runs. Sam Hartman throws every possible 4 yard pass en route to 175 yards. The ending was wild and is discussed. JTT and Sawyer look like they haven’t developed at all but Notre Dame has two great tackles. Notre Dame puts 10 guys on the field for the final two plays. The way Ohio State runs this game is how they lose to Michigan. The bad half Ryan Day was referring to was not even the one we were thinking of. The Lou Holtz thing is even funnier in context. 

Nebraska - 28
Louisiana Tech - 14

Nebraska’s QB had more rushing yards than passing yards. They’ve discarded the forward pass, as God intended. Nebraska has a 330 lbs defensive tackle that wears zero. This next game will be a test for Michigan’s rush offense, Nebraska may give Michigan some answers about where they are. 

Maryland - 31
Michigan State - 9

George Blaha said what?? Michigan State turned it over FIVE times, even though they outgain Maryland. There were some positive signs that they might be able to hang with some of the middle to lower tier big ten teams but we also saw what happened against Washington. It might be a worse sign for Maryland. 

Penn State - 31
Iowa - 0

Cade McNamara, 5-14 for 42 yards. Iowa’s running backs combine for 27 yards. Penn State runs almost 60 more plays. It’s about if Kirk Ferentz is getting fired at this point, not just Brian Ferentz. Four first downs to four turnovers, the stats just keep getting worse. Not sure you can extrapolate much from Penn State’s defense in this. Penn State ground game was bottled up, passing game seemed fine.

Indiana - 29 (4OT)
Akron - 27

Indiana’s safeties are terrible. Akron outgains Indiana 474-282. Indiana has combined for 8 rushing first downs against three FBS teams this season. Akron is a bad MAC team. 

Illinois - 23
Florida Atlantic - 17

Illinois outgains FAU 510-353. Still a little skeptical of this Illinois team but they looked a lot better in this game, even got out of a scoring hole. They’re not good but they don’t seem dire. 

Northwestern - 37 (OT)
Minnesota - 34

Northwestern comes back from a 21 yard deficit and gains 492 yards. AJ Henning has a game tying touchdown. These are the games Minnesota usually takes care of and helps them eek out 8 wins. Doesn't look like that will be the case this year.

Wisconsin - 38
Purdue - 17

Tanner Mordecai had 13 rushes that weren’t sacks. Wisconsin is probably going to sleepwalk to the division title because nobody else is even trying in the West.

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outsidethebox

September 25th, 2023 at 7:48 AM ^

I can't imagine that Michigan will find the good fortune of getting to play Iowa this year. Damn, Cade is worse than I ever thought he was...he and Eric got their just desserts on Saturday-sorry guys, you made your bed.

Coaching at this level of play is demanding. 

teldar

September 25th, 2023 at 8:39 AM ^

I really don't see how the Ferentzes keep their jobs. Such an obvious case of nepotism gone absolutely wrong. Jim employees Jay, but at least he seems like a good coach.

In reply to I really don't see how the… by teldar

Champeen

September 25th, 2023 at 8:43 AM ^

Yeah, i was definitely initially wrong on Jay. He is at minimum a good coach. As he matures and absorbs as much as his father and uncle can give him, he should be a force in the future.

In reply to Yeah, i was definitely… by Champeen

wetnoodle

September 25th, 2023 at 9:06 AM ^

Jay is also a damn good recruiter

In reply to Yeah, i was definitely… by Champeen

JimmyBeGood

September 25th, 2023 at 10:00 AM ^

don’t forget grandpa Jack.  Heckuva coach and recruiter.  

In reply to I really don't see how the… by teldar

borninAnnArbor

September 25th, 2023 at 12:21 PM ^

Don't forget, when Jay coached Tight Ends Michigan's tight end won the award for best tight end.  (I forget who).  When he coached running back he recruited Corum and Edwards.  When he coached special teams, the special teams was rated consistently in the top 5.  Jay is an effective coach.

1VaBlue1

September 25th, 2023 at 8:43 AM ^

I'll echo Dave's hot take - they force fed CJ a couple of passes to get/keep him involved.  I thought that on the second throw to him, which just felt forced.  I hate it, because he's good enough to get throws on his own, but Wilson is always so screamingly wide open - what's a QB to do?  I also agree with Seth that Edwards seems to be pressing too hard to break something big, as if to tell everyone that he's still relevant with Blake available.  Dude - you're relevant!  Just play your game...

In reply to I'll echo Dave's hot take -… by 1VaBlue1

GoBlue96

September 25th, 2023 at 10:40 AM ^

CJ just can't consistently get separation.  We really need to figure out a way to beat teams over the top.  It shouldn't be this difficult for a team that is so focused on the run.

In reply to CJ just can't consistently… by GoBlue96

mwolverine1

September 25th, 2023 at 10:53 AM ^

Double moves. CJ is pretty good at them and we don't use them enough.

In reply to Double moves. CJ is pretty… by mwolverine1

BlueMetal

September 25th, 2023 at 11:09 AM ^

Serious question.. are double moves built into the play, or is it just a "here's the route, you go win it" kind of thing? If we aren't using double moves enough, is that on play calling/play design, or lack of craftiness by the WRs?

In reply to Serious question.. are… by BlueMetal

4th phase

September 25th, 2023 at 1:02 PM ^

Double move is usually in the route / play design. Need the qb and wr to be on the same page in terms of timing. 

In reply to CJ just can't consistently… by GoBlue96

AlbanyBlue

September 25th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^

+1s for the first two comments -- JJ has definitely tried to force some passes to CJ this season. At least one of the INTs against BGSU (the first one? I think?) was a force job. Also, he has definitely had trouble getting separation this season -- no doubt. 

In reply to I'll echo Dave's hot take -… by 1VaBlue1

M Vader

September 25th, 2023 at 11:53 AM ^

Perhaps maintaining Johnson with targets helps Wilson stay open in some way, although Wilson is so fast that most defensive players have a difficult time covering him.  It will be interesting to see how Big Ten teams put their personnel on our receivers.  Do they put their best cornerback on Wilson for 100% of snaps?  Having Loveland will also stress defenses, not to mention Edward's catching passes.  

UWSBlue

September 25th, 2023 at 8:47 AM ^

I gotta believe the issue with Donovan is due to the OL. Perhaps he needs a Joe Moore-esque line to be successful. 

In reply to I gotta believe the issue… by UWSBlue

Brian Griese

September 25th, 2023 at 9:15 AM ^

Given what he had to say about Barry Sanders, I feel like he’s trying to emulate him a bit too much. I get that his game his long speed and not quickness/power like Corum, but when he gets the ball he needs to pound up it the designed gap/zone and stop worrying about hitting home runs on every play. Someone just needs to tell him there was only one Barry Sanders and to stop trying to find a big play on every carry.
 

I would agree the line has taken a step back but this isn’t some Hoke-esque line either.

In reply to Given what he had to say… by Brian Griese

1VaBlue1

September 25th, 2023 at 9:27 AM ^

The thing is that Barry wasn't trying to hit home run plays - he followed the play as much as he could.  But he was able to see gaps where a mere mortal only sees a few inches.  Barry was three steps ahead of everyone else.  And when the blocking just wasn't there, he was often able to find something else because he had the quickness, speed, agility, and mental acuity to do what nobody else could.  That is why the Lions OL was coached to block the play then find somebody else to block wherever they were on the field, it didn't matter who they found.  Until the whistle blew, Barry could be anywhere...

Donovan is fantastic in the open field, but he is not Barry Sanders.

In reply to The thing is that Barry wasn… by 1VaBlue1

bronxblue

September 25th, 2023 at 12:25 PM ^

Yeah, we remember the highlight runs for Sanders and the fact he got hit with some TFLs when he bounced around but you don't average 5 ypc for your career just on big runs.  Sanders was like Corum in that he could squirt forward for 2-3 yards in between blockers when that was the best option.  

In reply to I gotta believe the issue… by UWSBlue

JonnyHintz

September 25th, 2023 at 9:26 AM ^

Hate to break it to you, but if you need the best OL in the country to be a good running back, the problem ain’t the OL. 
 

I don’t know where exactly Edwards’ issues lie, but he seems indecisive and hesitant in addition to going down easy. I had reservations about him going back to last year when it came to down to down consistency, he seemed to get stuffed a lot and then break off a chunk run here and there to give him a good YPC. Maybe he’s still rusty, but I’m not seeing that explosive play ability from him to compensate for the 1-2 yard carries. 



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