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Hoops Recruiting Shuffles The Bigs Board

Hoops Recruiting Shuffles The Bigs Board Matt EM May 24th, 2021 at 8:12 AM
[Dereck Lively/The Top Of My Board]

With Hunter Dickinson likely gone after next season and Moussa Diabatte having one-and-done potential, Michigan is absolutely taking a true center in the 2022 class. The Wolverines are firmly in the mix for several elite bigs and continue to keep tabs on a few prospects should the Plan As not work out.

Hampton, Virginia was my destination over the weekend at the Southern Jamfest. It was another opportunity to evaluate a few of those Plan As and gather intel on where Michigan stands.

Lively Ascending To The Top

Dereck Lively was the best player on the court in a game full of premier talent with Team Final (5* Jalen Duren, 5* Emoni Bates, 4*Justice Williams and more) taking on Team Loaded (4* Tyler Nickel, 4* Jayden Epps, 4* Alphonzo Billups and more) in the semifinals of the Southern Jamfest on Sunday.

The 7-footer had the full arsenal on display in a performance that had the gym buzzing. Elite finishing as a vertical lob threat, rim protection, agility, vision and perimeter shotmaking ability beyond the arch. He finished with 15 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks and 2 assists in 15 minutes of game action as Team Final blew-out Team Loaded in large part due to Lively's dominance. 

While I already bumped Dereck to 5-star status in my database a few weeks back after his outing in Scranton, the real question now is whether he's a top-10 overall prospect or merely in the top 15-20 range.

In my detailed report on Lively earlier this month from the KYDA Invitational, I suggested he had some potential as a shooter based on his mechanics and comfort taking shots beyond the arch. He cashed in on that promise this weekend by knocking down a corner three with so much confidence that he started making his way down the court before the ball could go through the net at the :20 second mark in the clip above

That same evaluation from Scranton talked-up his passing ability and that played out again in Hampton. The pass Lively makes at roughly the :31 second mark above isn't something you see often from a 7-footer. Justice Williams leads him a bit too much with the hit-ahead and Dereck has to walk a tight-rope just to stay in-bounds before jumping in the air and dropping a precision dime across his body to Justice Williams in stride for an easy layup. That level of spatial awareness, body control and passing execution bodes very well for his projection as a passer in college.  

Lively already had the look of an All-American level defender that provides high-level finishing via lobs and dumpoffs. If he's just an adequate shooter in tandem with his passing ability, the potential here is off-the-charts. Mainstreams ranking him in the 40s is far too low. At worst, this is a top-20 prospect that will flirt with top-10 overall for me. His development this Spring has been so impressive that I'm actually pondering whether Dereck's long term ceiling is higher than Jalen Duren. In any event, Lively has clearly surpassed Donovan Clingan on my personal board for 2022 bigs.

In speaking with Dereck and his family in the last month, I have discovered something significant. Lively's mother is the Director of Marketing with the Athletics Department at Penn State. And while that is obviously going to keep PSU in the thick of things, I don't think its a foregone conclusion that he ends up in State College given the circumstances. PSU has a new head coach in Micah Shrewsberry who may be working from behind and the Nittany Lions don't necessarily have the best track record in terms of program success or getting bigs to the NBA. Dereck is working on setting up visits and I do expect Michigan to lock-in an official at this point. 

[Hit THE JUMP for the latest on Duren, Clingan and Washington]

The Man-Child

5-star Jalen Duren needs no introduction and we won't spend a lot of time exploring his on-court game. He's the most physically imposing HS prospect in the country that also happens to be a gifted passer. Those attributes were on full display in Hampton, as his combination of size/agility/verticality/strength manifested on defense in ways that few others can match. His inherent physical gifts make it to where Duren can just float through a game and use his discretion as to when he would like to assert himself for total domination. 

Nothing new on the recruiting front. Jalen Duren is not coming to Ann Arbor. The professional route is probably the safest bet, with Miami being the the most likely option if he decides to attend college for a year, with a reclass to 2021 a possibility. 

Two-Horse Race

4-star center Donovan Clingan was in action over the weekend at the Circuit League in Texas. The 7-footer impressed with his vision and finishing ability against high-level competition. The lefty from Connecticut definitely has some similarities to a certain big man on the current roster.

Once thought to be a lock for UConn based on geography and family preference, Juwan Howard has Michigan surging and the Wolverines may be on even ground in relation to the Huskies. In the interview above, Donovan says he hasn't locked-in any visits just yet, but you can assume Michigan will definitely get an OV at some point in the near future along with UConn and Syracuse.

The official visits will go a long way in determining where Clingan spends his college days. The on-court fit in Ann Arbor is custom-made for Donovan's skillset, and that message is resonating with the Clingan camp in recent weeks. This is a true 50/50 battle with the allure of being a potential home-town hero versus the sure-thing in Ann Arbor.

Still In Tier 2

5-star big Jalen Washington was offered by North Carolina earlier this month and has locked in an official visit to Chapel Hill in early June and will also make his way to Stanford a few weeks later. Michigan is still in contact with Jalen, but has yet to extend an offer. He's an elite perimeter shotmaker at the center position, but hasn't displayed the level of consistent athleticism/physicality/paint production that Juwan Howard covets to warrant a serious pursuit. Washington is an outstanding student with a great academic resume, so if the Wolverines get serious here I would expect Michigan to get a visit and be a serious contender given the ties to Chris Hunter (Washington attends Hunter's former HS). 

WoodleyIsBeast

May 24th, 2021 at 10:38 AM ^

It just feels so great to be in on the big fish now that Juwan is in town and has established himself...Another amazing year from Dickinson will continue to drive the narrative that being a big man in Ann Arbor is the place to be.

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TheCube

May 24th, 2021 at 3:25 PM ^

Right? The fact that a player that is 15-20 range in rankings in just another guy on the recruiting board is crazy to me. 
 

Still not used to this in BBall recruiting. 

njvictor

May 24th, 2021 at 10:53 AM ^

Lively seems like a combo of Willie Cauley Stein and Jaren Jackson in the best way possible

Also, Matt I have 2 questions:

  1. How did Emoni Bates look with Team Final? Better? Worse? Same?
  2. How does UNC offering Seth Trimble impact his recruitment?

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Matt EM

May 24th, 2021 at 11:23 AM ^

I took in one live game of Bates and he looked like typical Emoni to me, but with improved defensive effort. Still takes contested pull-ups in volume, struggles to defend on the perimeter due to a lack of agility, but makes highlight-reel shots occasionally. 

I have no direct intel on Trimble, but I'll check around and see where things stand. 

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njvictor

May 24th, 2021 at 11:43 AM ^

Thanks

LabattsBleu

May 24th, 2021 at 11:12 AM ^

Thanks Matt -

you had also mentioned Reed and Flipowski as guys Michigan is interested in in your previous big man post... gotta assume Michigan is slow playing Reed a little, while they continue to measure where they stand with Clingan and Lively

Is an offer forthcoming for Flip, or is it a foregone conclusion he is Duke bound?

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Matt EM

May 24th, 2021 at 11:24 AM ^

Hasn't been much news on Reed. 

Correct on Flip, you can assume he's going to Duke. 

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East Quad

May 24th, 2021 at 6:33 PM ^

Regarding Flip, I guess we'd have to flip him to UM.

Maize in Cincy

May 24th, 2021 at 11:17 AM ^

Time to hire Lively’s mom.

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Michigan4Life

May 24th, 2021 at 9:58 PM ^

You jest but she has been at PSU for 11 years so it's not really hire to recruit a player.

FightThePower2021

May 24th, 2021 at 11:17 AM ^

Camp Sanderson, here comes Lively!

Can only imagine how good he will be with some muscle/strength!

True Blue Grit

May 24th, 2021 at 11:25 AM ^

It sounds like Lively would be the #1 priority at this point for the 5 recruiting.  But I imagine the competition will really start heating up for his services, especially when the sleaze factories get more involved.  Hopefully, Michigan can get one of the two top guys - Lively or Clingan.  

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orangeda

May 24th, 2021 at 11:36 AM ^

I know Matt's preference is based on game and potential, and it's understandable that Lively has moved ahead of Clingan if that's your consideration.

I think I'd still prefer Clingan because he's almost guaranteed to be a monster in Howard's system, and you're more likely to get more college production out of him, IMO, because quite frankly, he'll be around longer.

If Lively keeps progressing at his current rate, he's a one and done, he's your prototypical NBA big, Clingan is at least a 2 or 3 yr guy in college, and that's better for Michigan.

Would obviously love to have either one, but if I think both will be about equally productive, and I have to choose, I want the guy who's going to be at UM longer.

In reply to I know Matt's preference is… by orangeda

Matt EM

May 24th, 2021 at 11:52 AM ^

Hopefully, I didn't give the vibe that I'm down on Clingan. I would absolutely love to have him, particularly with Juwan Howard coaching him. I tend to agree that if longevity is the primary criteria, Clingan is probably the guy you want. Offensively, there's definitely an argument to be made that Clingan is superior, particularly if you want a guy that scores with his back-to-the-basket.

Defense is where the real gap exists. Lively is FAR superior on that end of the court. 

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Gameboy

May 24th, 2021 at 12:24 PM ^

What is our official position on Lively? Have we made an offer? Is he talking to our staff regularly?

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Matt EM

May 24th, 2021 at 12:28 PM ^

We have offered and we are in contact regularly. I would expect Dereck to lock-in an OV to Ann Arbor some time in the near future. 

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orangeda

May 24th, 2021 at 2:37 PM ^

Wasn't meant to imply that I thought you were down on Clingan.  I was just saying that I get where you're coming from by moving Lively ahead of Clingan as a prospect on your board, but that I still prefer Clingan over Lively to UM if given the choice because I fee like both will be extremely productive college players and Clingan is almost certainly going to be in college longer than Lively will be.

It really is like choosing between a Jaren Jackson type vs a Hunter Dickinson type(that assumes Jackson would have been used properly in his one year of college).  Both were/are great college players, but I'd take two or three years of Hunter vs one year of Jackson any day of the week, even though Hunter clearly doesn't have the NBA upside of Jackson.

In reply to Wasn't meant to imply that I… by orangeda

Blue In NC

May 24th, 2021 at 3:42 PM ^

Yes, great point.  Definitely would prefer 1 year of Lively vs 1 year of Clingan but you are right, it's more likely (no pun intended) you get several years from Clingan so that might be a preference for continuity.  

EastCoast

May 24th, 2021 at 12:04 PM ^

Maybe this is obvious, but do you get the sense that Juwan is having much more success recruiting skilled big men vs. guards? We're still getting very good guards, but it seems like our board is in the high 4* range for guards vs. solidly 5* for big men.

It would be logical given Juwan's skillset and success in the NBA.

Also, I will happily take skilled big men if that's the case.

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