On my blog post two days ago about how Juan Soto is NOT NOT NOT a "generational talent" wirth $500 million, the fucktards came out hot and heavy on Reddit r/MLB, where I posted this. People talking about the short right field porch at Yankee while ignoring OPS+, WAR, etc. are park-neutralized. People claiming fielding for a corner OF is overrated. People ignoring just how bad he is in the field. People claiming that, at just at age 25, they can project out his post-30 aging curve.

And, when I pointed out Jim Edmonds as a comp on some issues, on the issue of fielding and other things, one fucktard insinuated Edmonds was roiding.

Said chud posted an old piece from r/baseball that he claimed was support, as shown at left. It doesn't. Yes, the cutoff is 4 WAR, not 7, which Edmonds had.

That was after me posting a LONG list of people who were above 10 WAR when they got older, off this B-Ref page with every WAR value, in order, by player, age and season. I went with age-30, instead of 34, because that's where he originally started from, a blanket statement that everybody declines after 30. No they don't. Beyond that? Small sample size on his part.

I earlier than this mentioned that Dwight Evans had fully half his WAR from age 30 on. Chud didn't like that either.

Chud got butthurt in addition because I included pitchers, even tho his chart backs me up!

Beyond that, I'd never before heard insinuations about Edmonds roiding, so he's full of shit right there. He and others have been blocked and I am posting this there.

Let's go back to that B-Ref all time piece on WAR.

We will of course exclude Bonds and Clemens. A-Rod, Sosa, Jason Giambi, also excluded.

But, we will go back more than a decade. And, we'll look for EIGHT not seven or more WAR by decade, because the B-Ref list is top 500 and ties, and cuts off above 8 WAR. I'll still start at age 30, because that was the chud's cutoff line.

We'll list them by decade, in order of WAR, etc., starting with the 1980s.

1980s: 10.1. Steve Carlton, 35, 1980; Mike Schmidt, 8.9, 30, 1980; Lonnie Smith (really) 8.8, 33, 1989 (waiting for him to be accused of roiding); Rickey Henderson, 8.7, 30, 1989; Wade Boggs, 8.4, 31, 1989;

1990s: Cal Ripken, 11.5, 1991, 30; Rickey Henderson, 9.9, 31, 1990; Larry Walker, 9.8, 30, 1997; Craig Biggio, 9.4, 31, 1997; Kevin Brown, 9.1, 33, 1998; Randy Johnson, 8.6, 31, 1995; Randy Johnson, 8.6, 35, 1999; Mark Langston, 8.5, 32, 1993;

2000s: Randy Johnson, 10.5, 38, 2002 (OOPS! 3 Randy Johnsons of 8 WAR or above, age 30 or older, and two of them age 35 or older); and make that FOUR; Randy Johnson, 9.5, 37, 2001; Ichiro Suzuki, 9.2, 30, 2004 (maybe Johnson got roids from Seattle-days A-Roid, then that permeated the clubhouse?); Bret Boone, 8.8, 32, 2001; Curt Schilling, 8.5, both ages 34 and 35, 2001 and 2002 (he obviously got them from Randy, when both were with the D-backs)

2010s: Jacob deGrom, 9.9, 30, 2018; Zack Greinke, 9.5, 31, 2015; Cliff Lee, 9.0, 32, 2011; Max Scherzer, 8.7, 33, 2018; Roy Halliday, 8.6, 34, 2011;

2020s: Aaron Judge, 10.5, 30, 2022.

OK, let's sum it up.

From 1980s on, modern baseball, after first two rounds of expansion and more?

TWENTY-FOUR players at EIGHT not SEVEN WAR or more, age 30 or more. That was the chud's cutoff!

Even if we go age 34? Seven seasons EIGHT WAR or above.

Sidebar? As posted there?

All the TEN WAR seasons, post-30, age 31 or later, non-roiders:

Honus Wagner, 11.5, age 34. Bob Gibson, 11.5, age 33. Willie Mays, 11.0, age 33. Gaylord Perry, 11.0, age 33. (The ball was enhanced, he was not.) Lefty Grove, 10.6, age 36. Rogers Hornsby, 10.6, age 33. Babe Ruth, 10.5, both age 35 and 36. Dazzy Vance, 10.3, ages 33 and 37. Babe Ruth, 10.2, age 33. Steve Carlton, 10.1, age 35. Bob Gibson, 10.1, age 34. Carl Hubbell, 10.1, age 33. Cy Young, 10.1, age 35. Lefty Grove and Nap Lajoie, 10.0 age 31. 

Chud was butt-hurt by facts.

And, moderators got butt-hurt by me refusing to back down, and deleted it.