Bill Johnson to The firewolfx
The firewolfx to Bigrunner
You say you don’t understand why I think God would allow FGM, in answer to that enquiry all I can say is that if there is a God…Why did God allow female and male G.M to happen in the first place and even continue in the wider world of today?
God created all things, that is what the faithful believe, man had no say in creation, if you believe in God you have no free will and your future is predetermined for you so in that case God and only God was the power that created all the evil and all the good that’s ever been or ever will be and if you are a believer you have to accept that to be the case.
If God knows everything that’s happened in the past and knows everything that will happen in the future…then why does God need to ask of what sin the girl who was Buried Alive was Killed for?….Quran 81:8
I also believe there are different versions of the Qur’an, how do all these million upon millions of people actually memorise the Qur’an in one single language in what I believe is the original Qur’an it was composed in authentic classical Arabic, do they read or memorise it in Turkish or some other language, the simple fact that it is published in differing dialects and languages tells you that the Qur’an is not explicitly correct and it is untrue to say it is unique and cannot be changed from one version to the other, because it must have been.
The Qur’an is also of comparative recent time’s when you compare it to other holy books and is a bastardisation of the Tohra, the five books of Moses, and not forgetting that the Christian Bible is also guilty of plagiarisation of the Tohra. The firewolfx to Bigrunner
I understand, and you have brought up some good points however as Muslim, I purely use the Qur’an as a religious scripture and don’t follow the Hadiths, there are some sects in Islam where they equally follow the hadiths and Qur'an, and it is different in others.
Qur’an is the scripture sent down however Hadiths are collections of stories claimed to be by the prophet where they can be changed by generation unlike the Qur’an where it is memorised by millions.
so please don’t quote from the Hadiths to me where I don't take it as reliable.
I have read the qur’an fully, as non-muslim and as a muslim.
yet I fail to find actions you have said.
Yes fornication is forbidden, and yes homosexuality is also forbidden.
These are points that everyone know about religions.
If you are going to perform fornications or homosexuality you don’t have to be a muslim anymore.
you talked about religion causing millions and millions of lives, I cant argue with you there however this is where politics kicks in where humans in general will always find a reason to provoke a conflict, so that it will benefit their own interest, imagine a world without religion, such as communists, how did everything turn out for them.
Most of the world wars had nothing to do with religion yet humans slaughtered each other.
I am being completely honest, In pure Islam (without involvement of lies, deception and politics), It only allows war in self defence and If they stop the the fighting than you have to stop as well.
“fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors.
And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them.
Such is the reward of those who reject faith.
But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." 2-119
There is no Stoning in the Qur’an.
You don't not allowed killed anyone, unless they have killed, or caused corruption in the land.
There is not a place in the Qur'an where it orders the killing homosexuals (you have mistaken this from the bible)
There is not such thing as honour killing in Islam (Qur'an).
Female Genital Mutilation is disgusting yet you don't find it anywhere in Islam, I don't understand why you would think God would allow female genital mutilation, where before Islam, pagan arabs would bury their newborn daughters alive because of their gender, yet Qur'an calls those people evil.
"And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked, for what sin she was killed" Quran 81:8
"And when one of them is informed of [the birth of] a female, his face becomes dark, and he suppresses grief, He hides himself from the people because of the ill of which he has been informed. Should he keep it in humiliation or bury it in the ground? Unquestionably, evil is what they decide." Quran 16:58-59
