Hm... According to what I know, bro! These two things are different types of investments, so I don't think there are mutual Funds that are managed in the foreign exchange market or forex trading. Indeed, sometimes many people think that trading is the same because ordinary people see it only from charts and there is access to buying and selling there, but here it is quite different. Before I discuss further, do you already know what mutual funds really are?
Mutual funds are a form of investment product such as deposits in a bank. One of the investment media for the investor community, which is especially for those who have minimal capital or for people who have capital but don't have a lot of time and expertise who are lacking in considering the risks of an investment they are making.
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What you need to know too, bro! there are 3 things related to the definition of mutual funds,
First, there are funds deposited by the public or investors.
Second, then the funds are invested in a securities portfolio.
Third, Finally, the funds will be managed by investment managers provided by mutual funds.
So, in simple terms, the funds in mutual funds are shared funds with investors, while the investment manager is a party entrusted with managing these funds so that they grow and develop in accordance with the risks and rewards of investment.
Then what are the types of mutual funds?
In general, the types of mutual funds are divided into 4 types, namely:
Money market mutual funds (Money Market Fund).
Fixed income mutual funds (Fixed Income Fund).
Mixed mutual funds (Balance Mutual Fund).
Equity Fund.
For the discussion this time I will allude to the money market mutual fund "Money Market Fund". So many people think that this type of mutual fund has an element of buying and selling foreign exchange. I don't think so, why? In this type of mutual fund, investment activities or activities are in money market instruments with maturities of less than one year. The investment instruments are time deposits "time deposits", certificates of deposit "certificates of deposit", Bank Indonesia Certificates "SBI". , Money Market Securities "SBPU" and others. So there is no forex or foreign exchange market there. Because the main thing that exists in forex in terms of maturity is no limit! as long as the trader still opens a position and does not close the position.
What's the difference between Forex and Mutual Funds?
To find out the difference in general, I will explain briefly below, friend! hopefully this discussion will be a little brighter about Forex or Mutual Funds.
From the Capital Side
For forex trading, you generally have to deposit quite a lot of funds because they are converted into USD. So all forms of transactions will use Foreign or Foreign currencies. Usually it's in USD, but some are made in GBP or EUR. for 1 USD now worth 14,000 rupiah. And the minimum deposit for each broker is usually an average of 100 $. the exception is for CENT type forex accounts.
As for Mutual Funds for capital issues, which can be said to be quite low, you can start with IDR 100,000. Here, with relatively low funds, people can reach these investments.
From the side of Fund Management
In general, forex trading can be done by anyone, either independently or with a forex copy, of course, for trades made in forex trading, not just anyone can do it because of the need for insight or high knowledge in terms of reading prices and fundamentals of a country, to carry out activities buying and selling currencies such as EURUSD, GBPUSD, AUDUSD and others.
Then if our Mutual Funds do not manage the funds to become funds when they are deposited with the mutual fund, then the investment manager or a team of experts will conduct the assessment and management of investment products. So customers or investors don't need to bother analyzing the investment products that have been provided.
In terms of profits and risks.
Of course, you already know that we can get unlimited profits in the world of forex trading, but behind that there is also a big risk that awaits us, so overall capital loss can occur if we are not good at financial management wisely in trading activities. the. Here, because price fluctuations are quite high on the market, accuracy or expertise is needed to open trading positions.
Then if this mutual fund can be said to be the opposite in general, the benefits offered are relatively lower if we compare it with forex trading. This is because capital turnover in the money market for deposits and short-term debt securities has a stable movement of assets with low levels of fluctuation.
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Mutual funds in forex trading are very rare in any part of the world. This mutual fund is a collection of funds from investors which will then be managed by investment managers by investing in several assets such as bonds, stocks, ETFs, and others. So, it is very rare for mutual funds to invest their assets in currency assets.
Why don't investment managers invest their funds in currency assets? This is because currency assets have a very low value growth every year, in contrast to other instruments. Indeed, many forex traders can get a lot of profit from trading currency assets, but they use margin and leverage which makes changes in the value of currency assets very large accompanied by a large level of risk.
However, some brokers provide services namely PAMM accounts. The PAMM system is almost the same as the pooled fund system of mutual funds and managed assets that tend to focus on futures assets such as currencies, commodities, indices and others, where the average trading system uses margin and leverage.
This PAMM account because the trading system used is using margin and leverage, so it has a high level of risk as well. However, there has never been a case of a PAMM account scam or committing fraud, because the traders who manage the investors' funds are closely monitored by the broker. Except, cases of losing money due to PAMM traders losing are very common and this cannot be concluded that the PAMM account is a scam.
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Then there is a social trading system where investors can open a trading account which can then copy transactions from other traders. If what you mean by this is mutual funds, then you are very wrong because this system is very different from the mutual fund system. This copy trading system does offer a type of investment that trades forex, but all of the funds available are fully managed by investors and are very different from the mutual fund system in general.
Conclusion
So, there are no mutual funds that trade currency assets or other commodity futures assets. This is because it deviates from the principle of mutual fund investment which offers investment with a low level of risk.
There may be another alternative, namely a fund investment system using a broker service called PAMM. Here investors can deposit a number of funds which then these funds will be managed by traders to be traded on the forex market, commodities, indices, and others. However, investors must be careful in choosing a PAMM so that funds are not lost due to funds managed by traders who are not credible.
In the PAMM system it is very rare to find a fraudulent system or just chasing commissions. PAMM traders are all closely monitored by the broker in terms of risk management. However, this does not rule out the possibility that the trader will experience big losses and lose all of his capital. This is natural because the forex trading system is at high risk.
To find PAMM traders, you can look at the Instaforex broker, which has a large selection of PAMM traders spread all over the world. This Instaforex broker offers a PAMM system with return on profit sharing based on the invested capital.
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The simple answer is none. This question refers to whether there are Mutual Fund managers who use their managed funds to play in Forex Online Trading derivative instruments. Legally this is not possible. Managed funds will of course be accounted for, and may only be played in the Indonesian capital market. So you can buy bonds or debentures, buy shares, or buy ETFs and so on.
However, it is possible for investment companies or mutual fund fund managers to place their funds in foreign companies. In this case, the deposited funds will be managed by a foreign entity in which the foreign entity will circulate its funds in foreign capital markets. An example is the Mandiri Global Sharia Equity Dollar Mutual Fund, where PT Mandiri Investment Management has deposited its funds at JP Morgan Asset Management. Of course, Mandiri still holds firm control of funds, but the execution of asset purchases will be carried out by JP Morgan for securities assets abroad.
In the narrative that I described above, it is possible for JP Morgan to transact derivatives with one of the Market Makers in the United States for example, but this is very rare. Why? Because actually Mandiri and JP Morgan are also Market Makers, why do they have to do derivative transactions with other Market Makers. Of course there is also a liquidity problem. Funds of that size would certainly be difficult for Retail Forex Market Makers to be able to hold back their funds.
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Based on my explanation above, not only is it not legally possible, but even if there is a case like the one above where there is a deposit of funds, then of course the Mutual Fund manager will not want to transact with other Market Makers. Besides that Forex instruments are very slow. And Forex is not an investment tool. The giants and investment managers actually don't need the leverage facilities offered by market makers in the derivatives market because their funds are actually super rich.
Mutual funds are investment instruments that collect investor funds and are then managed by investment managers to buy investment instruments available on the capital market, while mutual fund investors themselves are parties who own part of the managed funds in the form of mutual fund participation units.
There are several things that we need to pay attention to from mutual funds, namely:
The source of mutual funds comes from the public.
Funds are managed by investment managers.
Funds are invested in securities.
Related to the question in this thread, namely are there mutual funds that are managed in forex trading? We must know what forex trading is, which we also know as forex trading. Forex trading is the activity of buying and selling currency pairs, which uses a margin system, and does not involve physical delivery of currency. Since there is no physical delivery, forex trading is more of a speculation than an investment.
Transactions in forex trading occur in the forex market, while the forex market itself is decentralized, so it is not concentrated in one place. Currency pairs or forex pairs are not securities, because they are not tradable securities. basically in forex transactions what we trade is the value of the currency pair, there is no currency that we actually trade.
In mutual funds, funds collected in mutual funds by the Investment Manager (MI) are invested in securities, while currency pairs are not securities, so mutual fund funds cannot be used to buy currency pairs. The assets purchased by MI from mutual funds are a form of investment while forex trading is speculation, so mutual funds cannot be used by MI for forex speculation transactions.
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Mutual funds can buy investment instruments on the money market, but this money market is different from the forex market. the money market is a market where lenders and those who need funds meet, and what is traded on the money market is not foreign exchange or forex, what is traded are bonds, time deposits, SBI, and others.
There are forex mutual funds, but they are not available abroad yet in Indonesia. In Indonesia, there are money market mutual funds, where funds are placed in safe financial instruments such as Bank Indonesia Certificates, private bonds, government bonds, and so on. However, there is no real forex yet.
The way forex mutual funds work is the same as mutual fund products in general. Where investment managers collect funds from investors and use them to trade various instruments on the currency market, including options and futures. Investors interested in forex mutual funds can buy the NAV of forex mutual fund products. The NAV value itself will follow the amount of funds managed by the investment manager which is then divided by the number of available NAV sheets.
Now let's go to a real example of forex mutual funds. Here I take three examples of forex-based mutual fund products in the international market, namely:
- FX Concepts Currency Fund: This forex mutual fund was established in 1981 and was once recognized as the largest forex-based mutual fund manager in the world. The investment method adopted is a quantitative strategy based on fundamental data and technical analysis. Unfortunately, currently the FX Concepts Currency Fund no longer exists due to bankruptcy in 2013.
- G10 Currency Fund: this forex mutual fund is devoted to investing in currencies from G10 member countries, such as Canada, the United States, Japan, and European countries. The returns on this forex mutual fund fluctuate quite a bit following the volatile forex market conditions. However, at least the performance of this mutual fund is positive, even though it was in a bad shape.
- Forward Management's Global Macro Fund: this forex mutual fund is managed with a top down strategy. This means that the analysis is based on the global economy (macro economy) to determine the state of a country's domestic economy. The rate of return on this forex mutual fund is also quite volatile, sometimes positive and sometimes negative.
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So it's pretty clear right, forex mutual funds are true. However, the risk level of this type of mutual fund is relatively high compared to stock mutual funds or money market mutual funds. Just look at the FX Concepts Currency Fund which went bankrupt despite decades of track record. But it's comparable to the returns from forex mutual funds which are far more attractive because of the very high volatility of the forex market. Only for Indonesian investors, you need to be careful when investing in forex mutual funds, because this product does not exist in Indonesia and there are opportunities for regulatory differences between the location where the funds are managed and our country.
PAMM Accounts Scam ?
Is the question "any PAMM Accounts exit scam" a serious question? From statements like this, I dare TS not know and even seem to have never opened a PAMM Account.
PAMM Account, in this case PAMM Trader, cannot commit a scam nor can it withdraw as much commission as possible.
First, why won't PAMM Accounts be scammed? Because the money is not held by the trader but by the broker. This means that all this time you have been wrong in thinking that just because money is transferred to a trader's trading account, traders can simply withdraw your money and turn it into a scam.
The money that can be withdrawn by PAMM Trader is only his own money and the profits.
Second, it can attract as many commissions as possible. CAN'T. The PAMM system is profit sharing, not commissions. Revenue sharing can be done if there is a profit that exceeds the value of the trader's deposit plus the follower's deposit. If the account loses, the trader will also lose, the loss is proportional depending on the percentage ratio between the trader and the follower.
As for the commission, it is charged in the FOREXCOPY system. There is an option that the commission will be charged per position opened, whether you want to lose or gain the commission will be deducted at the start. But this scheme is rarely used by traders, because it doesn't sell well. Followers also think, is it true that there will be profits? It's better to share profit, profit and loss equal to loss.
Scam Or Loss?
Between scam and loss is very much different. You say consistent like the big boys? Means it's called loss not a scam. If it's a matter of loss, no matter how big the institution is, there must be a loss. The oldest investment institution in the world is called Lehmann Brothers to death.
If you say it's difficult to find consistent PAMM Accounts, the question is where do you look for PAMM Accounts? And what is the method of finding it?
If only you looked in the right place and with the right method you would find it. For example, the Instaforex broker offers a PAMM Accounts scheme, so the broker in this case provides trader statistics. What's the rating? How old is the account? big or small profit? Consistent or not. the easiest way is to look for the top 10 ratings.
Forex mutual funds ?
NO Forex Mutual Funds. There are money market mutual funds. What is the difference ? Looking at TS's statement that he is looking for mutual funds whose composition is forex pairs, is it true or false?
Meanwhile, money market mutual funds are not just buy and sell pairs in metatrader. Money market mutual funds, especially in Indonesia, are allocated to purchase Bank Indonesia Certificates (SBI), Time Deposits and other bonds with a tenor of less than 1 year.
The average profit rate for money market mutual funds throughout 2020 was 20%, higher than deposits. But remember, mutual funds fluctuate not fixed income. Not impossible in 2020 20% profit in 2021 minus 20%.
However, PAMM Accounts are more profitable than mutual funds because we have control of the account for 24 hours. If it is felt that the performance has decreased, you can withdraw it right away, the money will immediately go back into your trading account, and there are no commissions, only minus positions.
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As for mutual funds, you only get monthly reports. Money can indeed be withdrawn but the deductions are too large. There's even a gap of days from a withdrawal request until the money returns to your savings account.
Even if it comes to a scam, the scam is the broker, not the trader. If the broker has scammed, it's not only you as a PAMM follower who loses, but PAMM traders also experience losses.
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