In the captivating episode of The Dealmakers’ Podcast, Amar Goel, a seasoned entrepreneur and visionary who currently serves as a co-founder and CEO of Bito, shares his inspiring journey through the ever-evolving landscape of entrepreneurship.

With roots deeply intertwined with Silicon Valley’s tech culture, Amar’s trajectory unveils a story of innovation, persistence, and the power of adaptability. His venture, Bito, has attracted funding from top-tier investors like Reza Behforooz, Eniac Ventures, Cap Table Coalition, and Mohak Shroff.

In this episode, you will learn:

• Immigrant parents instilling the values of hard work and resilience that shaped Amar’s entrepreneurial path.
• A willingness to explore diverse interests, nurturing a mindset of adaptability which is crucial for entrepreneurship.
• A journey emphasizing the power of iteration and capital efficiency in building successful ventures.
• With Bito, Amar venturing into AI-powered tools for developers, redefining software development’s future.Balancing ambition and contentment and advocating for a mindful approach to embracing life’s experiences.
• Lessons from both setbacks and successes underscoring the importance of listening, humility, and perseverance.
• A trajectory showcasing the potential for entrepreneurs to create global impact by solving real-world challenges.

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About Amar Goel:

Amar Goel is a Co-Founder and serves as Chief Growth Officer and chairman at PubMatic. He is a Co-founder & serves as Chief Executive Officer at Bito. He is also an Angel Investor.

Amar runs PubMatic’s marketplace group, which is focused on increasing liquidity and driving monetization for the publishers on PubMatic’s platform. As part of this role, Amar is responsible for the machine learning team and runs the EMEA and APAC regions.

As Chairman of the Board, he is responsible for helping PubMatic’s Board and management team drive the company’s overall strategy. In addition to PubMatic, Amar also founded several other companies, including Komli Media, the leading independent advertising technology platform in the APAC region.

Amar served as Founder and Chairman of Komli from 2006 through 2013, assuming the role of Founder and CEO in late 2013, a position he held until selling Komli Media in September 2015, when he rejoined PubMatic in a more active day-to-day role.

As a 19-year-old student at Harvard University, Amar co-founded Chipshot.com. Over five years, he grew the business to approximately $30M in annual sales, making Chipshot.com the fastest-growing eCommerce website at that time.

In addition to founding his own companies, Amar has extensive experience in digital media and advertising, previously leading sales for a digital advertising business for Microsoft in the US, and working at McKinsey & Co. and Netscape in a variety of consulting and engineering roles.

As an entrepreneur, Amar raised over $100M in venture capital and hired more than 1,000 employees around the globe, generating several hundred million dollars per year in revenue at peak. He holds a master’s degree in Computer Science and a bachelor’s degree in Economics from Harvard University.

Connect with Amar Goel:

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• Crunchbase
• RocketReach
• PitchBook

Read the Full Transcription of the Interview:

Alejandro Cremades: Alright, hello everyone and welcome to the deal maker show. So today. We have a very exciting founder a founder that has done it multiple times you know. In fact, he’s taking companies public acquisitions. You know, many of them on the buy side or on the cell side. So we’re gonna be. We’re going to be learning quite a bit you know and very inspiring his journey. So without farther ado let’s welcome our guest today a margoyle welcome to the show.

Amar Goel: Um, great. Thanks for having me really excited to be here looking forward to the conversation out ander.

Alejandro Cremades: So originally born in the bay area one one 1 of those silicon valley kids so tell us about you know how was life growing up there.

Amar Goel: Um, yeah, um, it’s most most people are like kind of transference to the bay area I grew up here I was born here and yeah I mean I think it’s funny. 1 of my friends told me asked me 1 time like he said how how you like so like to start companies like. And I said I don’t know I just do and then he was like man. It’s in the water there like that’s he’s like I grew up in Minneapolis so you know he he was like it’s totally different place. Yeah I mean it’s very much every day the newspaper was about this is the ninety eighty s and 90 s so Silicon Valley was like a different place then in the sense of more counterculture a little bit definitely smaller. You know raising $3000000 was a lot of money or something. But yeah I mean I remember in the 90 s as I was in high school and going to go go to college like you know companies like Yahoo and stuff like that were kind of starting to pop up. But yeah, it was just you know is a nice you know, kind of I guess typical american kind of childhood middle class family. Um, you know great parents had one brother I 1 brother. But um, yeah I think it was just always tech was kind of in that my parents worked in tech companies. My mom worked a hulet packard which was started in a garage. Um, so is is is kind of in the water.

Alejandro Cremades: Well I’m sure that it was quite inspiring for you to um, be the child of immigrant parents too that went there to to the us to give you guys. Ah a better life. A better future and and I’m sure that that was very inspiring and. And 1 of the things behind I’m sure you know your drive and something that has shaped who you are today.

Amar Goel: Yeah, no I think absolutely I mean my parents you know came here I think since so some’s typical but you know everything I think each one’s unique. But yeah I came here with one hundred bucks and my dad came here for kind of graduate education and then you know my mom came a few years later and yeah I mean it was I think they just kind of distilled those immigrant kind of like you said values in you around just hard work and lot of focus on school and education and just working your butt off basically which I think is very core to who I am.

Alejandro Cremades: Now in your case you know you had you had it in you early on I mean whether it were selling eggs from Chickens flowers at restaurants you can like had that in you I mean would you say that this is something that they that you were born with or something that it developed over time.

Amar Goel: Um, yeah I think I don’t know it’s a good question I mean but yeah from a very early age I really was always kind of trying to be an entrepreneur and um I mean I did a lot of started a lot of. Businesses at least in the planning and stages and on paper so you were kind of mentioning like we kind of moved into like a little bit of a rural area and I was like oh I’m going to build a chicken coup and I’m going to grow fresh eggs and offer them to the neighbors and stuff I never did it I never bought a chicken I never bought any wood to build the coup but I was. Going to um and then like you know I was going to start an sat course and put up flyers for that. But you know none of the nobody signed up. Um, you know it’s funny. My brother is also an entrepreneur and work with him. Ah. The company took public pomatic but um, you know he wasn’t in things at all, you know? So um I think it can come in different stages of of life. But for me, it’s always been a big. Part of who I am I have two boys now who’re pretty young and 1 of them is my my parents say he’s like me at 10 x you know he’s got all these pokemon cards. He’s selling and trades like I got this thing for a buck and I sold it for a hundred like how did you do that and then my other.

Amar Goel: Son You know, not so much into it. You know.

Alejandro Cremades: That’s amazing now you ended up going to Harvard. So I’m sure that they and that made your parents very proud to go to 1 of the best if not the best university you know in the world not just in the Us. But but but in this case for you. The first year was a little bit tough.

Amar Goel: Are.

Alejandro Cremades: Why was it tough.

Amar Goel: Um, yeah, you know I um I I think I kind of went in there and was like oh I’m gonna kick ass and take names and I I remember first semester freshman year i. I was wanted to be a doctor growing up I had it kind of even though I’d been this entrepreneur but aspiring entrepreneur I this little nameplate on my door that my you know parents got me that said chief Neurosurgeon and I always really wanted to be a doctor and. So I got to to Harvard in the first semester I signed up for all like normally take 4 classes there I said oh I’m gonna do 5 I took 5 classes I took like I was gonna take organic chemistry and I was gonna take which is like this kind of advanced class and then I was Goingnna take this advanced math class and I just got. Crushed you know, um I ended up dropping one of the classes and I really kind of had this crisis of confidence and I said well I guess maybe in high school I was like a bit of a big fish in a small pond but not everybody can be a big fish you know in the big pond and so I was kind of like oh I guess I’ll just kind of be a mediocre person you know and that’s. Kind of like my lot in life if you will and I’m not exactly sure like I think just I started doing okay in my classes and just kind of kept at it and then kind of realized like hey I I like to work hard and that’s.

Amar Goel: You know something I am good at and you know and I’m not as bad as I thought when I got here not as dumb as like that as I got I mean I’m not the smartest guy but I you know I don’t think I’m the dumbest guy and so um, yeah I mean I just ended up kind of.

Alejandro Cremades: Yeah.

Amar Goel: Keeping at it and you know ended up in 4 years graduating with a master’s degree and and computer science and a bachelor’s degree in economics. So you know I kind of I think I did okay ah but um, yeah.

Alejandro Cremades: Um, and why they ble of both Amar Why the blend of business and computer science. How did that come about.

Amar Goel: Um, you know I think I’ve always been like just a curious person like I’m just interested in ah a bunch of stuff you know I actually um, wanted to write at the Harvard Crimson which was the newspaper the daily newspaper there but I was also interested in business. So. I was one of like very few people actually kind of they have like a process called the comp where you kind of are trying to become part of the edit you know the the newspaper staff trying to become part of business lab I was one of the only people that did both. Um, and I think it’s similar like in you know I was really interested in computer science I was really interested in business. Um, so I think I just kind of like I’ve always kind of.

Amar Goel: Had broad interests and maybe like some whirling derfish aspect to that you know.

Alejandro Cremades: So tell us about entering the world of entrepreneurship your first company which you literally started you know out of school chip chipshot so that how did that come about and and how was that process of convincing the deaths of some of your. You know, be classmates there. You know to to to not go to government Sachs and and be in a garage you know, just just just pushing sales.

Amar Goel: Um, yeah, actually started that company when I was in college. So I I played I was really into golf played Golf I ended up I played golf in college and my the summer after my freshman year of school this is summer ninety five I was. Kind of thinking. Oh this internet thing is kind of interesting again. It was really early days as far as I can tell we were like the second you know this like the second one of this second Eca Golf E Commerce thing to start on the on the internet. And so I I end up working with a couple buddies from high school and teamed up with a golf pro and we launched this golf shop. Cooper you know archaic of just a html like a cgi form like just super basic. But at the time it was like cutting edge right? and so people would send in an order. And I would get a little form and you know would process the order. Ah, manually. Yeah so I started doing that and you know my mom would say oh maybe you could raise some venture capital for this one day and I was kind of like mom this is like this crappy little golf website like they I’m in college like who’s going to be interested in this. You know. Um, and I remember kind of junior year I negotiat you know Aol was like the hottest thing on the planet right? and they had this. They had you know these stores stores within stores and you go to the sports store and they had this golf thing and I negotiated a deal with them.

Amar Goel: Where you know we were going to be like 1 of the tiles. You know in the sports store like the golf tiles I remember telling 1 of my buddies I was like oh my god we’re going to do like hundreds of thousands of dollars a month isn’t be amazing. Of course none of those things ever really work out and it didn’t you know nothing really came of it. But um. But yeah, it was just kind of a you know, interesting journey I remember like I was always lugging my laptop around everywhere because I had to answer customer support emails and ah process orders or or whatever and then when I was graduating you know I talked to I was really interested in like. Talking to consulting companies like Mckinsey and banks at Goldman and then also had an offer from oracle and some other software companies but just decided to ah. I thought you know it was luckily it was a really good job environment. This is 98 and so I just said you know I think I’m gonna do chip shot and it really kind of took off my senior year. Um I kind of rewrote the website with one of my one of my buddies in college who is a much better programmer than I was. And we kind of built this whole custom fit configuration thing that we were getting a loose file for a patent for and we went from like $8000 a month in january or my senior year of sales of golf equipment custom-built golf equipment to one hundred thousand a month by june when we graduated.

Amar Goel: And so I convinced a couple of buddies to join one of them was on the golf team with me one of them was like computer science buddy much smarter than me and ah both of them. You know, kind of. Convince them that hey let’s why don’ you join join up with me and live in my house and we worked out in my garage. My parents couldn park their cars in the garage for a while. Ah, and yeah, we started doing it and yeah when I remember my my friend nick he he runs an amazing company now called gainsight. Kind of the founder of of the customer success movement but he is his dad was like what are you doing man nick’s gonna go work at Morgan Stanley your Goldman Sachs um like what he’s gonna make a like one dollars a month but or near your rides like. My son just graduate from harvard like what are you doing like you’re killing his career. You’re killing him you’re killing me you know indian parents are not like too excited about these things you know, um, and oh yeah, somehow convinced him you know? And yeah, anyways, rest his history I guess but.

Alejandro Cremades: Ah, well so aging.

Alejandro Cremades: Um, but hey you you you guys ended up raising you know Capital from Seoia I mean now probably the number one bc that I can think of and that ended up being you know Exploding. You know on the positive side and then also on the negative side. So So what happened.

Amar Goel: Yeah I mean it was it was kind of a crazy ride I mean couple fun stories. Um, we so graduated right? in June of ninety eight and I had worked a couple summers before for a guy named Russell Vestry who was a. Partner at Robertson Stevens which was one of the big you know, kind of tech investment banks. So he happened to be in New Jersey I was hanging at my wife’s from New Jersey my my girlfriend at the times in New Jersey we were hanging around there and he was there and I walked around to pay less. Sho store with him because he was like I mean I here at a wedding I had to buy some shoes for this for my suit I forgot my shoes and he negotiated like he was gonna invest $50000 as a like angel investment you know into into chip shot I forget the valuation out probably like a million dollars or something. And then um, one of my a friend I kind of grew up with was a lawyer and he said oh I know some lawyers at Wilson Sonini so he like emailed one of them and I got to be friends with one of them and he said oh we’ll do your law legal works for free. You know until you raise some money and looks like what. Like who’s it going to work for us for free. You know we’re like this crappy little startup you know and my parents were like must be a scam like you know there’s no way that a real lawyer would like do this work for free. Um, and we ended up meeting this senior partner in their art and he said do you have a business plan and so we wrote up like this hundred page business plan in paper like we printed it out. It’s.

Amar Goel: Spiral bound and then he mailed he said give me 4 copies and he mailed it out to people. Um, and I got a call like and I you know then? ah we had gotten some office space by that time a few months later I got a call on the phone from down Don valentine. Like literally I pick up funny, he’s like hi this is Don Valentine from sequoia I got your business plan. It’s pretty good. Um, you know are you looking to raise money we’d like to meet up. Um, and so it was kind of like a surreal. You know, kind of kind of moment. Um, and ah.

Alejandro Cremades: Um, wow.

Amar Goel: Yeah, and then we we ended up you know, kind of raising some money from them and you know incredible set of investors and um and then yeah I mean look the company’s growing fast I learned a lot of lessons. We burned a lot of money too. You know I mean I think really it was it was it was an era where people were spending like crazy. Um, and I you know also bought into that and was almost proud of how high our burn was and I think that you know we ended up going. You know we ended up getting close to going public but ended up going to bankcorrupt basically in 2000 as the Nasda kind of came crashing down and I think that really. Ah, left a lot of you know learnings with me, you know as as um, as yeah I mean I think I think you know raising Capital and Burn are like not things to celebrate you know I mean they’re not.

Alejandro Cremades: Um, what was one that you what was one lesson there that you took away with you.

Amar Goel: They’re good milestones but like I think a lot of people get wrapped up like I raised all this money and and I think that’s not like really business building you know business building is like revenue and profits and customers you know and and that is really what drives you know the long-term value if I then. Fast forward to like pomatic which I I’m sure will come to later. But you know that company began to go in public I mean we raised $64000000 in all and when we went Public. We had $75000000 already in the Bank. So We were profitable for many years and I think.

Alejandro Cremades: Um, but let’s talk about this one then because you know obviously after you know the the basically the rodeo with chip shots. You know came to one end you know you did a little bit of um of a stand there at the Microsoft Doing Enterprise sales but then you decide. That is time to pack up the bags and go to India to start not 1 but 2 companies I mean why going to India what what triggered that move.

Amar Goel: Um, you know that was really um, kind of more of a life thing so I was living in New York at the time I’d moved to New York my wife is in New York we’d been married a few years and and um, we just kind of thought hey life in New York’s it’s great I mean you love it here. But it’s comfortable. Let’s go. Live somewhere else. Let’s go try something else out and thought about moving to Europe um, and this was 9006 and just thought god there’s so much going on in India you know brick was kind of like all the rage a little bit and we thought. You know we’re both indian I mean I was born in the us s my wife’s born in New York I was born in California like we talked about. But you know we’re in indian descent and we just thought oh you know there’s so much’s going on in India it’s a chance to like get closer to like you know, kind of that cultural heritage and so let’s let’s move to India and and then I started thinking about like well what could I do in India and. You know pomatic was more of a global you know company we where we help kind of this new form of advertising which became programmatic advertising like digital advertising being traded via Apis and helping kind of establish a whole supply chain for that. And software for that. But that was a global thing and then goly was the other company I started and that was really more of a buyside ad tech company focused on Asia um, and started with a focus on India and then expanded over time to southeast asian australian stuff and um, so yeah, we just thought hey there’s so much going on in India this will be a great kind of life adventure.

Amar Goel: And I actually told my wife then oh I came up now with this idea for pomatic and that’s more global so we could stay in the us and she was like no no, you got me excited about moving to India we’re moving India so you figure out what you’re gonna do over there but we’re going so like okay, ah.

Alejandro Cremades: So so we talkmatic you know it sounds like you were saying quite the journey. Um, for the people that are listening to really get it. What ended up being the business model there. How are you guys making money with problem traumatic.

Amar Goel: Um, yeah, yeah, so pomatic. What we what we did was we really started like a Nasdaq kind of at exchange like as you think by like a stock market exchange but for digital advertising so we started by helping large publishers. Ah you know like. But we didn’t start with large publishers to start as small publishers but it became with large publishers like like a Yahoo like the New York Times and we helped them onboard their inventory or in mobile app or in Ctv like Pluto or you know frubo Tv or whatever we help them onboard their inventory. And and auction it off in real-time to you know, hundreds of thousands of advertisers around the world and so we provide this kind of advertising exchange that you know today processes you know over 500000000000 ad auctions a day. In real-time all within one hundred milliseconds generates you know five plus petabytes of data a day thousands of servers around the world and and you know now we’re really focused on trying to you know, become the supply chain provide the sort of digital complete supply chain of the future where. You know, buyers and sellers can connect efficiently and and trade their buy and sell advertising um and so that company is you know spread around the world I mean headquartered in the area but global.

Amar Goel: 900 employees you know was fortunate enough to go public on the Nasdaq exchange you know in 2000

Alejandro Cremades: Um, what was that what was that process like because you know with the previous company you you were you know, almost there on the finish line but you were not able to ring the Bell I was going through your head when finally this time around you know you were right there you know ringing the bell and making it happen.

Amar Goel: Yeah, so two things so that but chip shot which I also did with my brother and Nick we were filing our s 1 in 2020 and then twenty years later we went bubble like actually went above like so we actually didn’t ring the bell because it was during covid. Um, and so it was kind of crazy like you know first we were going to go there then they were going to like ship the podium out I don’t know if you remember but in two thousand and Twenty Twenty One lots of companies went public and they would set up like a virtual podium or they would have a podium and local thing. Yeah, and so.

Alejandro Cremades: Um, yeah I remember.

Amar Goel: And ended up being totally remote. Um, and so my brother’s a ceo rajev’s the ceo and so he you know he was doing the whole the roadshow from his desk if you will um. But it was it was amazing. Still it was surreal I mean I would like sitting on the couch in the you know at home with the kids and my parents and you know watching kind of the natsdack provided this this really cool thing where um, you could see the order book building and then you know we went public at twenty bucks a share but we opened it. Like 29 50 twenty nine dollars fifty cents which was you know, incredible I mean I told myself it doesn’t matter if we go to $10 a share like this is an accomplishment that I’m you know it’s is amazing and you know we’re going to feel good about it but certainly nice that it also went way up. You know the first day and then whenever through there.

Alejandro Cremades: That’s amazing. That must be unbeli is an experience now with with I mean with this company at the peak. It reached 4000000000 on market cap and then also come media and right now you know, popmatic you know it house goes to a thousand employees. So.

Amar Goel: Yeah, yeah.

Amar Goel: Um.

Alejandro Cremades: Whatever happened with comey media.

Amar Goel: Yeah I mean that would be kind of one of the you know, ended up selling the company but it wasn’t you know some great you know exit for sure and we you know we. We got to about 50000000 in revenue, they’re kind of breakevenish but you know digital advertising has gone through its real ups and downs over the last ten fifteen years you know, um. Got a few really big players like Google and Facebook and so investors have been very kind of squeamish about the space and so you know goly we ended up selling it to the big malaysian telco company that was kind of build a. Digital advertising business. A lot of telcos have kind of looked negative at t and Singtel and a lot of ah telcos have looked at using their user assets to to build digital advertising businesses. But it was. Was not the exit that we all you know hoped for for sure and again another you know set of learnings where we just you know, raised a lot of capital and um, not build like a self-sustaining enough business.

Alejandro Cremades: Now they say once an entrepreneur always an entrepreneur 2021 a new baby comes knocking.

Amar Goel: Um, yeah, yeah, so I started a new company. Um, it’s called Bitdo and we’re bringing like Ai tools for. We’re creating Ai tools for software developers. We have an Ai assistant that kind of works in the in your ide the tools that the developers use. And um, yeah, started in 2020 actually we were doing something else. We were focused on collaboration tools for software developers. We were trying to bring slack and Google docs type experience to developers. Um ide and um, you know everyone would say look at the demo and be like this is amazing. I’m going to use it and then they wouldn’t use it but we really. So we were like all right? What do we do? So we kept kind of listening to our users and hearing what they wanted and how we could tweet the product and we started you know messing around with some of the large language models Ai last in 2021 started 2022 and um.

Alejandro Cremades: Are.

Amar Goel: Yeah, then we’ve launched kind of this next generation of bit late last year and you know you can use it to write code explain code. You can use it to document all your code write test cases and it’s you know. Knock on wood. It’s you know it’s early days still but it’s growing. Well I mean we have over 100000 developers around the world who are actively using it. They they do more than 1000000 ai requests a week into our system. Um, we we can understand your entire code base and let you do a on that. So yeah I mean look at it’s early days. Small team 20 people. But we know we’re trying to try to be capital efficient. But we think there’s you know, incredible opportunity to help software developers over the next ten years

Alejandro Cremades: Um, and it sounds like a product market fit is one of your superpowers. Um, it’s actually 1 of the most difficult things. So how should entrepreneurs think about product market fit how how do you get there. You know in ah in an effective way.

Amar Goel: Um, yeah, yeah, um, you know Mike Moritz this famous venture capitalist. You know I remember um you know people would ask him like oh what is you know How are you such an amazing vc and he would say um you know I just really. Walk in every situation with a pen and a pad and I listen you know and I used to think like god that sounds like such a bunch of horseshit you know, but but I think there’s some real insight there you know which is like really try to listen to people and like remove your ego like remove. How you want the world to work and really listen to like what that person that customer is kind of telling you about how the world works now. That being said, you know I don’t think customers always know what the future looks like right? I mean if you ask them. You know I think there’s a thing that Henry Ford would have said you know said if I asked my customers what they wanted. What don’t what they would have wanted. They would have said they wanted faster horses. You know? Um, so I think you have to have a perspective about how the world could work. Um, but then you have to kind of hold that loosely. And you have to really go and talk to people and try to really understand you know you can use multiple frameworks but try to understand that core problem or the job to be done and then really like how does your solution really kind of help solve that problem I think like I said the other thing is that you got to.

Amar Goel: Um, you’ve got to be. You know you know, be careful about your ego and really be willing to iterate um and and be open to iterating and not kind of stuck into what you what your view of the future is and then I think the last thing I would say is that.

Amar Goel: Think you have to be really capital efficient. You know I think I’ve seen a lot of startups and I’ve been involved with startups where they’re so committed to their view of what the what the solution is going to be that they don’t really give themselves any room from ah from a. Capital standpoint like they’re kind of like hey if this doesn’t work I don’t have any more money you know like I don’t I don’t have enough money in the bank to to pivot or to iterate or whatever you know and so you really have to make sure you have. Keep your burn low and because you should assume that it’s going to take a couple of iterations to get to something that actually is product market fit I think a large a large part of being successful is still being alive. You know if you can just. If you’re if you’re I think you have a group of people that’s hardworking committed and smart. You know that I think sometimes you just give yourself enough time. You will iterate yourself into something and then you just have to decide when you do it or yourself into something am I happy enough with this is this a good enough business. You know, does it have enough of the characteristics I was looking for and or do I want to keep iterating on but that sometimes that can take a couple years it took a couple years for us and so if we had just said oh the first thing collaboration is going to be big and you know, kind of spend all of our money.

Amar Goel: Then we would have run out. We would have been dead and dead in the water and so you got to keep your burn low.

Alejandro Cremades: So I guess one of the things that but I’m thinking now as as you know you’re building bit if you were to go to sleep tonight and you wake up in a world where the vision for bido is fully realized what does that world look like.

Amar Goel: Um, ah yeah I haven’t thought about that I mean that would be an amazing world. I mean I think that world is a world where software can be built at this beat of thought you know and. Ah, developers can really build. We’ve got a huge unlock in how much software can be created in the world because they’re leveraging Ai to really help them. You know work at 102050 Times the pace that they that they work today. And so you know we talk about software kind of eating the world I think we haven’t really seen anything yet. You know the acceleration that’s about to come in so many fields is incredible.

Alejandro Cremades: Absolutely now I’ve been asking you here about the future I want to ask you about the past but doing it with a lynch of reflection imagine I was to bring you back in time I put you into a time machine and I bring you back to the moment where you were in Harvard. And you were now thinking about what you were going to do and you had the opportunity of going there right now and having a chat with your younger self where you have the opportunity of giving that younger Amar Goel: one piece of advisory for launching a business. What would that be and why given what you know now.

Amar Goel: Um, yeah, yeah, it’s a good question. Um I think one of the things I mentioned earlier. Um I think I was I become more hopefully. I hope that I’ve become more humble. You know as I’ve gone on in my life. You know I sort of feel like the older I get the more I realize yeah the less I really know and understand you know and so I think I feel that as as ah, my younger self was I was more arrogant you know person and so I think. 1 is to kind of release that arrogance. Um and be I think um, you know to not not like being more present. You know is kind of 1 way of putting about it. That’s I think the the best way of doing it. But I think that. Connection the the point I want to make is that having less expectations about about the future in some ways you know about um when you have a lot of expectations about something and it doesn’t work out that creates a lot of anger. Um, in your in yourself. You know because you’re not happy with kind of how things happen and so I don’t think I could say to myself. Don’t be driven. Don’t try to achieve something I’m not trying to say don’t have that you know goal. But I think it’s to you know.

Amar Goel: Approach every situation with less expectations and so I think then you’re more open to what’s happening and you can accept it better and you’re able to leverage it Better. You know because you’re not Angry. You’re dealing with the situation as you have it. I Think you learned some of these things when you have kids I don’t know Yeah I don’t know if you have kids but you know they’re They’re a good wake up call for you every day.

Alejandro Cremades: No kidding.

Alejandro Cremades: Except kids you know they’re like startups but there is no exit and you only break even where they let you sleep at night. So thank God I’m past a break you end point now. But but anyhow a mar for the people that are listening that would love to reach out and say hi. What is the best way for that tool.

Amar Goel: Um, and and yeah.

Alejandro Cremades: To do so.

Amar Goel: Yeah I mean you can reach me on Twitter you can Dm me you can reach me on Linkedin email me Amar dot go at bitdodot a I yeah happy to happy to chat and help and um, yeah, interested in other people’s stories too.

Alejandro Cremades: Amazing! Well hey mar thank you so much for being on the deal maker show today. It has been an honor to have you with us.

Amar Goel: Oh thank you I Really appreciate the opportunity and you know love listening to your podcast. So thank you.

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