Joe Jackson says Quincy Jones knows better than to accuse Michael of anything. Quincy gave an interview to Vulture where he said Michael Jackson stole the hook for “Billie Jean,” from Donna Summer’s “State of Independence.” Joe Jackson says, “I raised Michael, he’s my son. Quincy Jones, he knows better. I don’t want to talk about it.

Jones had a seemingly tight relationship with Michael as a co-producer for the late musician’s best-selling albums. The producer did not hold back on his MJ gossip during this interview: he also addressed Michael’s famous plastic surgery. “[Jackson] has a problem with his looks because his father told him he was ugly and abused him,” Jones said. “What do you expect?” The 84-year-old also addressed the state of music today, which, unsurprising given the tone of the interview, he is not at all impressed with. Pop music is “just loops, beats, rhymes, and hooks,” rap music is “the same phrase over and over and over again, and U2 sucks now, too. And this was just the PG-13 version of the interview.

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