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DeSantis needed a big debate win. Did he get it?

Kimberly Leonard's must-read briefing on what's hot, crazy or shady about politics in the Sunshine State
Aug 24, 2023 View in browser
 

By Kimberly Leonard

Republican presidential candidates Florida Gov. Ron Desantis and Vivek Ramaswamy participate in the first debate of the GOP primary season hosted by FOX News at the Fiserv Forum on Aug. 23, 2023, in Milwaukee, Wisc. | Win McNamee/Getty Images

Welcome to the morning after the first Republican presidential debate. 

Gov. Ron DeSantis was the top-polling candidate onstage last night — but you wouldn’t have known it based on how little his rivals went after him and his record.

Most Republicans onstage hammered entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, not the Florida governor. In terms of speaking time, former Vice President Mike Pence spoke the most at over 12 minutes, followed by Ramaswamy and then former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, according to The New York Times. DeSantis was fourth. At times, he seemed to be jockeying for attention while others mixed it up.

DeSantis abstained from dragging his GOP rivals, including former President Donald Trump, and didn’t get hooked into the back and forth. But that also meant he wasn’t a dominating force like Ramaswamy, who interrupted his opponents —and was called an amateur and rookie.

The governor also had a couple of uncomfortable pauses, including delaying raising his hand when the candidates were asked if they’d support Trump if he is convicted.

Almost every time DeSantis had the floor, his answers carried three key components:

1) He brought questions back to his record in Florida. 

DeSantis boasted about reopening businesses during the pandemic, responding to natural disasters when asked about the climate crisis, signing a 6-week abortion ban into law, firing left-leaning state prosecutors, overhauling public education and his cruise to reelection in Florida.

While moderators accused DeSantis several times of failing to answer their questions — including whether he would support a federal 6-week abortion ban if elected president — the approach allowed DeSantis to remind the audience why he got famous in the first place, even as he’s underperformed since launching his campaign.

2) He criticized President Joe Biden.

DeSantis may have overlooked his GOP rivals, but he didn’t spare the current president. DeSantis described Biden as a man relegated to his basement and criticized him for not saying as much as he thought he should about the wildfires raging in Maui.

Answering his first question, about the economy, DeSantis said, “We cannot succeed as a country if you are working hard and cannot afford groceries, a car or a new home while Hunter Biden can make hundreds of thousands of dollars on lousy paintings.”

3) He repeated the talking points Floridians have become familiar with. 

He described the U.S. as “in decline,” said he believed in “education not indoctrination” and bashed “critical race theory” and “gender ideology” (though he didn’t use “woke”). The refrains have become familiar at press conferences and public appearances throughout the state, and underscored that he may need new material.

DeSantis’ comments offered some openings for GOP rivals to fact check him or to question his Covid-19 record, positions on Medicare and Social Security, past alignment with Trump or his battle with Walt Disney World. Trump has attacked him over each of these things, but no one jumped in to fill the void onstage Wednesday. (The one exception was when Ramaswamy accused DeSantis of delivering “memorized pre-prepared slogans,” but the exchange was quickly scuttled when Pence shot back, “Was that one of yours?”)

In the best-case scenario for DeSantis, candidates’ refusal to go after him could be a sign that they don’t want to burn bridges in case the 2024 contest were to become a two-man race between DeSantis and Trump. But DeSantis' campaign predicted before the debate that "every candidate on and off the debate stage" would "have their knives out" for him "because they know this is a two-man race." So not going after him could show they simply didn't view him as a threat.

— WHERE'S RON? Gov. DeSantis will be interviewed on Fox News’ Fox and Friends at 8:40 a.m.

Programming note: Florida Playbook will not be publishing from Aug. 28 through Sept. 4. We’ll be back to our normal schedule on Tuesday, Sept. 5.

 

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... DATELINE TALLAHASSEE ...


RPOF STATESMAN DINNER — “Here's why Florida Republicans' big annual event will be missing both Trump and Ron DeSantis,” by NBC’s Matt Dixon: “Part of the reason that Trump was not invited is that Florida Republicans wanted the focus at the dinner to be on state-level party building, so they originally decided to try to get DeSantis as their main speaker … Despite the party holding out for the governor, DeSantis is skipping the Sept. 14 event to attend fundraisers for his presidential campaign in New York City and Buffalo.”

HAPPENING TODAY — Gov. Ron DeSantis’ congressional map that dismantled former Rep. Al Lawson’s (D-Fla.) north Florida seat will have a major legal test in a Tallahassee courtroom.

Circuit Judge J. Lee Marsh, who was first appointed to the bench by former Gov. Rick Scott, will hold a hearing that pits groups including Black Voters Matter, the League of Women Voters of Florida and Florida Rising against the Florida Legislature and the DeSantis administration.

The groups first filed their lawsuit challenging Florida’s current congressional map more than a year ago. But both sides reached an agreement earlier this month that narrowed the scope so that it focuses primarily on Lawson’s old seat and how it was changed. The core of the remaining dispute is whether Florida’s redistricting standards approved by voters and now enshrined in the state constitution conflict with the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Florida’s Fair Districts provision states that congressional districts cannot be drawn in a way that would “diminish” minority voters ability to elect someone of their choice. The map pushed by DeSantis, however, blew apart a district that linked Black neighborhoods and towns stretching from just west of Tallahassee to Jacksonville. The governor — and now the Legislature — say removing that district was justified because Lawson’s old district was an unconstitutional, race-based gerrymandering (even though it was created by the Florida Supreme Court.).

— Gary Fineout

BATHROOM BILL — Conservative group joins opposition to Florida’s new book challenge rule, by POLITICO’s Andrew Atterbury: Florida approved a new rule Wednesday giving parents the power to bring in a special magistrate to hear local disputes over book challenges — but the idea faced heavy criticism from opponents, including the conservative Florida Citizens Alliance, that disagree with how the state is carrying out the policy.

The state board of education also passed new regulations for restroom use in state colleges that could lead to faculty and staff getting fired for using facilities that don’t align with their sex assigned at birth.

—“'Rockin' and rollin' with book challenges: Internal emails show Moms for Liberty plans,” by Tallahassee Democrats’ Douglas Soule 

TODAY — American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten is visiting a Miami high school in what the union called a bid to “push back against DeSantis’ extremist attacks on education and lay out AFT’s historic investments in students and teachers.”

PAC TRANSFER — Florida GOPers — including Rep. Bean — dinged for allegedly violating federal campaign law, by POLITICO’s Gary Fineout: The Washington-based Campaign Legal Center filed complaints against Rep. Aaron Bean (R-Florida) and former GOP state Sen. Kelli Stargel, alleging that the two flouted campaign finance laws over transfers from state political committees to super PACs that assisted their 2022 campaigns.

— “Attorneys say Florida death penalty changes have created 'chaos,'” by New Service of Florida’s Dara Kam: “A new state law lowering the number of jurors required to recommend death sentences has spurred a rash of litigation, triggered conflicting judicial rulings and infused an additional level of uncertainty in capital cases.”

PENINSULA AND BEYOND

JUNE 21: A sign outside of the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District's, formerly known as the Reedy Creek Improvement District, government building during a monthly meeting on June 21, 2023 in Reedy Creek, Florida. | Getty Images


DISNEY LATEST — A firefighter broke down in tears Wednesday over the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District’s threat to gut Disney World perks for public employees.

He’s among 400 workers set to lose the benefit after the DeSantis-picked board cited a Florida law saying private companies can’t give gifts to government workers. The arrangement is funded by a $2.5 million, taxpayer-funded price tag, giving workers and their families access to Disney parks.

This is a big deal to firefighters. Up to this point, they’ve been enthusiastic boosters of the new board, and Jon Shirey, president of the group’s union, said in an interview that their relationship with the DeSantis administration remained “phenomenal.” But they were displeased with how the board handled the latest decision, which they learned of over email at the same time as the press.

The board’s perspective: The board is offering up $1,000, after tax, for employees to use at any business or restaurant in the district. (That amount falls short of the cost of a Disney annual pass for a family of four or more.) Board Chairman Martin Garcia, however, indicated he was open to reconsidering the figure, but said it shouldn’t “discriminate” in favor of one business. Under the current policy, only 67 percent of employees used the passes, he said, and so he wanted to be fair to all employees.

The union’s perspective: Shirey said public employees were being lumped in with former board members, who got more generous perks, including golf trips and getting flown up to the Mayo Clinic for executive physicals. He also takes issue with the argument that the passes were under-used, saying it could have been the result of park capacity restrictions in place during the pandemic.

Compromise? Shirey said the union won’t “pitch a big fit” to retain the passes if it turns out they were in violation of the law, but he’d like to see if they can increase the stipend.

 

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TRUMPLANDIA AND THE SWAMP


WHERE’S DON? — “Donald Trump expected to surrender in Fulton County today” by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Jeremy Redmon and Greg Bluestein: “Former President Donald Trump is set to surrender to authorities at the Fulton County Jail today to face charges that he engineered a vast conspiracy with 18 allies to overturn his 2020 election defeat in Georgia.”

DESANTISLAND


RON DESANTIS, ACCORDING TO TV — To see how DeSantis became a household name outside Florida, The Miami Herald and McClatchy “analyzed data detailing the number of 15-second cable news clips from Fox, CNN and MSNBC that mentioned DeSantis each week. The analysis also included news articles referencing DeSantis from 11 major publications with large national reach.”

Transitions


Abigail Hills is now press secretary for Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.). She most recently was a staff assistant for Luna.

ODDS, ENDS AND FLORIDA MEN


BIRTHDAYS: Former state Sen. Rob Bradley … Linda Kleindienst, former editor at Rowland Publishing and former state capital bureau chief for Sun-Sentinel … Former journalist turned pilot Troy Kinsey

 

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