Dave:
What’s up everybody? Welcome to On the Market. That is Dave, your host, joined with everybody right this moment, Jamil, James, Kathy, Henry. Everybody, how are you?

Jamil:
Good. I reply for everybody, I suppose.

Henry:
We’re good.

Kathy:
So blissful to be collectively.

Dave:
All proper. Jamil, are you and Henry recording from the identical place?

Jamil:
He’s truly simply within the different room. No, we’re each in Phoenix, Arizona. He’s at Sizzling Bobby’s studio, which as you’ll be able to see by the signal is mediocre at greatest. Mine then again will not be.

Dave:
Bobby, how would you describe Bobby, Jamil?

Jamil:
Sizzling.

Dave:
What’s his job although?

Jamil:
His job is videographer and motivational speaker.

Dave:
Okay, all proper, received it.

Jamil:
He pep talks me, he’s like, “It’s okay. It’s okay. Sure, you might be constructed like a bag of milk, however folks such as you.”

Dave:
That’s nice, I want a Bobby in my life. That will be good.

James:
Did you say constructed like a bag of milk?

Jamil:
Any individual truly mentioned that to me on a dwell stream final week, and I used to be stumped.

Dave:
What?

Jamil:
Any individual mentioned, “Hey, Jamil, congratulations on the load loss. You’re wanting nice.” After which anyone else was like, “What are you speaking about? He’s constructed like a bag of milk.” And I’m like, “Wow, I haven’t heard that one earlier than. Geez.

James:
All proper, that’s a primary.

Dave:
I believe you’re wanting nice, man.

Jamil:
I truly went… I tracked down a bag of milk very quickly after that and I used to be poking it, and I’m like, man, what?

Henry:
A minimum of 2%.

Dave:
Such a imply factor to say.

James:
I’m saving that one.

Dave:
I believe you’re wanting nice.

Jamil:
Thanks.

Dave:
They’re straight up mistaken.

Kathy:
Nicely, everyone loves milk, so let’s get [inaudible 00:01:42].

Dave:
I don’t know. I’m lactose illiberal.

Kathy:
Me too. Me too. Sorry.

Dave:
Yeah, so we each [inaudible 00:01:51]

Henry:
No person truly likes milk.

James:
Now that we’ve misplaced our farming sponsors.

Dave:
Cheese. I can get on board with cheese. All proper. Nicely, Bobby nailed the Henry Washington purple, for anybody who’s not watching it.

Henry:
He did that only for me.

Dave:
[inaudible 00:02:04] he’s received your good hue occurring.

Kathy:
Yeah.

Dave:
All proper. Nicely, for right this moment’s present, we’re going to do our correspondence present, which should you take heed to this podcast usually, it’s our format the place every of the forged members brings an article that they discovered fascinating and pertinent to the true property investing group. However right this moment we’re focusing it a bit of bit on alternatives in distinctive markets. So every panelist goes to convey a narrative a couple of distinctive place within the nation that has some kind of potential for actual property traders.
Earlier than we get into that, Kailyn has teed up a reasonably onerous sport for us. I don’t understand how you guys are going to do on this. It’s a historical past sport. So I’m going to ask you all questions concerning the historical past of the housing market, and I wish to see how effectively you guys perceive this. The primary query I’m going to direct at James, as a result of he seems to be probably the most nervous. The query is, when was the primary mortgage issued in america?

James:
I’ve not the slightest clue.

Dave:
All proper. Give me a century. What century do you suppose it’s?

James:
I’m going 1900s.

Dave:
Okay, that’s a great guess.

James:
And I’m going to go together with 1918, last reply.

Dave:
Okay. All proper. 1918, world Conflict One. Okay. Kathy.

Kathy:
1776. As a result of I simply really feel like people-

Dave:
Whoa.

Kathy:
Yeah. I’m simply going there.

Jamil:
Alexander Hamilton.

Dave:
They only got here out the gate, Declaration of Independence, mortgages, subsequent factor.

Kathy:
After which banker was like, “Dude, I can so make the most of this example. Sure.”

Henry:
That really sounds proper.

Dave:
Okay. Henry, what do you bought?

Henry:
1802.

Dave:
Ooh, okay.

Henry:
For completely no motive.

Kathy:
That’s a great quantity.

Dave:
Jamil.

Jamil:
Nicely, I’ve checked out plenty of homes and I’ve seen a ton of development within the late 1800s and early 1900s, and my opinion could be that you simply’d see extra development as affordability or extra mortgages grew to become obtainable to folks as a result of they should borrow cash. So I’m going to say 1890.

Dave:
1890 is much like what I used to be going to guess. I simply suppose possibly it was like a submit civil warfare reconstruction effort to stimulate the economic system. I’m going to go 1872. And let’s see what we’ve received. Kailyn, on the large board. Whoa. Okay. Kathy, fairly shut. 1781 was the primary ever mortgage issued.

Jamil:
Wow.

Dave:
God, there’re bankers at all times.

Kathy:
What took them so lengthy?

Jamil:
So that you’re telling me that the republic is interwoven with credit score?

Dave:
Yeah. It’s exceptional to consider Jamil.

Jamil:
Wow. Can’t consider it.

Dave:
All proper. Second query, in what 12 months did the US federal authorities begin promoting off land? Henry.

Henry:
1802.

Dave:
18… I prefer it. He’s simply going to maintain… Kathy, you began this on the very first episode, we began guessing. You simply mentioned seven and a half for the whole lot.

Kathy:
I used to be mistaken.

Dave:
Henry’s simply going to say 1802 for the whole lot. All proper, Jamil.

Jamil:
Nicely, I believe we in all probability wanted to begin promoting stuff fairly quickly after the formation. So my guess goes to be 1790. I like 90 for some motive.

Dave:
James.

James:
I’m with Jamil. I’m going 1777. They began buying and selling dust proper out the gate. Consider how a lot potential there was to promote dust again then. It was simply an open canvas.

Jamil:
Oh, that was a wholesaler’s dream. Besides there’d be no comps. There’d be no comps. I might simply make up… Hey, that’s identical to right this moment, folks simply making up ARV. Proper? That’s like, “Hey, you purchase this. Who is aware of? It would… White Home over right here, it could possibly be price so much in the future.”

Kathy:
If somebody buys it, you’ve simply established worth. So yeah.

Dave:
Kathy, what’s your guess?

Kathy:
Nicely, because you mentioned I like sevens, then we’ll go together with 1777. Why not?

Dave:
All proper. I’m not going to guess as a result of I simply noticed the reply. However Henry, his technique’s working, it was 1802. No, it was 1800.

Jamil:
Wow. Oh, wow.

Dave:
It was 1800, however extraordinarily shut. All proper, final query. When was the bottom annual mortgage fee ever recorded in america? Jamil.

Jamil:
2020.

Dave:
Henry. Don’t say 1802.

Henry:
1801.

Dave:
Okay. Pushing your luck. All proper, Kathy.

Kathy:
Can I tie with Jamil? 2020.

Dave:
All proper. James.

James:
April of 2019.

Dave:
Okay. Pre-pandemic, huh? It was in 2021.

Kathy:
Oh.

Dave:
Nicely, we’re going to take a fast break after which we’ll be again after the break.

Henry:
After these messages.

Dave:
We’re going to take a fast break and we’ll be proper again with our correspondence present.
Welcome again, everybody for our correspondent present. Right now we’re going to be speaking about distinctive alternatives and conditions in given markets throughout the US that we expect that you simply as traders ought to learn about.

Henry:
So look, I introduced a narrative that I assumed was tremendous cool. So reasonably priced housing is an issue all throughout the nation. You even have the issue of impoverished communities feeling like they don’t have entry to homeownership. And I’m privileged to have met this developer who did this undertaking, and I assumed, what a cool alternative to have the ability to share this as a result of I really feel like it is a play that may be run in lots of bigger cities and a chance that different builders throughout the nation might make the most of.
So there’s a Black developer by the identify of Booker T. Washington who constructed a 29-home, micro-home group. So these are bigger than tiny properties. They’re going to be between 330 ft and 630 sq. ft. So bigger than tiny properties. So 29 micro properties in Faculty Park within the Atlanta space. And so it is a predominantly Black neighborhood the place plenty of working class people dwell, and there’s not plenty of entry to reasonably priced housing, nonetheless, homeownership. And what they had been capable of do by constructing these micro properties was to construct… And so they’re very nice, modern-looking properties that they’ve constructed.
And what they did was they had been capable of construct these properties after which construct them at an reasonably priced worth. So the acquisition worth for these properties had been between 200,000 and 230,000. And should you have a look at the common residence worth in Atlanta, it’s round 400,000. So that you’re getting a home for primarily half the value, albeit it’s a bit of smaller, but it surely’s nonetheless a house. So that you’re getting a home for about half the value, which places your mortgage someplace between 13 and 1700. So name it $1,500 for a mortgage, which is lower than hire in plenty of locations in Atlanta.
And so folks now had alternative to personal properties of their group. They didn’t have to go away their group to seek out one thing good. They didn’t have to go away their group to spend their cash some place else. They may maintain the cash locally, they might maintain their jobs of their group. And what I assumed was actually cool about this was the land that they constructed this group on was vacant, deserted land. It wasn’t producing any tax income for town. And they also had been capable of take land that wasn’t producing something for town, and now, that land is producing tax revenue, the homes are offering reasonably priced properties. It’s a pleasant group. Folks don’t have to go away their group. And it was additionally a worthwhile enterprise for the developer.
And so I really feel like that’s a win all the best way round. I believe we speak so much about reasonably priced housing as an issue. And actually that downside simply means what? Issues imply alternatives. After I was within the company world, they didn’t allow us to say the phrase downside. They made us say the phrase alternative as a substitute of the phrase downside, as a result of each downside is simply a chance to unravel one thing. And so I believe this was a inventive technique to create reasonably priced housing and maintain folks in a group quite than feeling like folks need to be pressured out.

Dave:
That’s superior. Wow. Very cool story. So is it the general public personal partnership that allowed that property to be constructed at such a low value?

Henry:
I’m undecided. Now, he’s a seasoned developer. He’s been constructing different communities earlier than. And so I’m positive he’s received… I’m positive the construct value wasn’t something totally different than what he’s usually constructing, however the measurement of the home can also be smaller than a sometimes regular home. So that you’re not spending as a lot on the construct both.

Dave:
Was this the primary time this man did a growth prefer it?

Henry:
I consider it’s the primary and solely Black-developed, micro-home group within the nation.

Dave:
Wow. Cool. Nicely, hopefully with all of the success it is going to be a kind of blueprint for future alternatives.

Henry:
That’s what I hope as effectively.

Dave:
All proper, nice. Nicely, thanks for sharing that story. Tremendous cool. All proper, James, what story do you will have?

James:
Mine, it’s much like Henry’s. I pulled an article that talks concerning the sum of money that’s being spent to develop homeless shelters in Sacramento. Sacramento has allotted over 50 to 60 million {dollars} to develop anyplace between 2 and 300 reasonably priced housing… not likely reasonably priced housing, extra for shelter, for residing, the place they’re going to supply meals companies. And that is all based mostly round fixing the homeless state of affairs. And the rationale I discovered it so fascinating is A, there’s alternatives that include that. We presently personal a 68 unit rooming home in Capitol Hill in Washington. And due to the demand, and town has been spending a lot cash on homelessness or additionally on simply subsidizing those that need assistance, what it’s completed for us on that particular constructing is it truly turned our constructing right into a 40% cashflow constructing. As a result of we had been approached by the state they usually provided us a ridiculously excessive hire to safe the constructing, they usually locked it up for an extended time period.
In order an investor, generally we have a look at this and we’re like, okay, that’s not likely good for the market. You’re bringing in homeless shelters that in principle, the New York Occasions reported that on common that drops your property values by 15 to twenty%. So it’s undoubtedly one thing you need to concentrate on that’s being deliberate in your neighborhood as a result of it might scale back your worth. However as a purchase and maintain investor, should you’re shopping for multifamily in that space, on the finish of the day, they don’t have sufficient items. They’re spending 50 to 60 million {dollars} and it’s solely going to assist about 5% of the entire homeless. That’s going to get about 2 to 300 folks into housing. There’s 4 to five,000 that want housing in Sacramento alone. So it’s barely transferring the needle.
And one factor I did wish to level out, as a result of I believe Henry’s article is basically good as a result of it reveals working with the personal sector in how they made one thing that works financially for everyone. However should you actually break down the price of what’s being allotted proper now, they’re growing 2 to 300 tiny homes. These on common value, 40 to $60,000 to create. They’re spending 200 to 300,000 to place each a kind of items in. And it’s utterly inefficient. And if they might change into environment friendly they might assist 3 times extra folks, if no more, at that time.
Nevertheless it’s at all times one thing, as traders, you wish to be taking note of what’s occurring in your metropolis, what’s occurring in your jurisdiction. As a result of as stuff like that is taking place in our main cities, it’s taking place in Seattle, it’s taking place in L.A., Sacramento, throughout the nation, it’s a necessity that should occur. We now have folks residing on the streets, they should get in housing, they should get assist, however they should do it in the correct method. However as traders, it’s a must to take note of this as a result of should you’re wanting to buy a single household rental property in that space, the worth might go down.
Now, should you’re shopping for multifamily in there, you begin reaching out to states and you may truly get some state contracts that can truly allow you to considerably. And it’ll save the state cash at that time. By them renting our big rooming home, they’re paying a fraction of what they’re spending in Sacramento on these housing… to accommodate these folks.
And so the personal sector, it truly makes extra sense financially, like what Henry was simply speaking about, that the federal government works with the personal sector as a result of they really can scale back the fee. And it’s good for the personal sector since you truly receives a commission a bit of of a better return too. So it’s win-win if they’ll put all of it collectively. Nevertheless it’s undoubtedly one thing as this homeless disaster throughout america is occurring, you must take note of what’s being developed, the place’s the cash being allotted, and what pivots do you must make as you’re placing collectively your portfolio.

Dave:
Yeah, it’s tremendous fascinating. I hadn’t actually heard a few of the stats about property values and the way they’re impacted by one of these stuff. You hear so much about kind of NIMBYism, the place it’s like folks don’t need it of their yard. So it’s a very difficult downside to attempt to appropriate as a result of we do want housing and to have the ability to present choices and companies to those folks. However clearly it looks as if most individuals don’t need the companies supplied anyplace close to the place they dwell. So it creates a very troublesome state of affairs for these governments.

James:
We received toasted on a home one time. It was in 2013-ish, round there. We purchased this property, nice craftsman residence, nice space of Seattle. After which after we closed, we had been ready on permits, an indication goes up that there’s a tiny home growth moving into throughout for homeless. And it was a year-long contract. Mainly, they had been doing these pop-up, tiny properties across the metropolis of Seattle for a while-

Dave:
They used to do this in Denver.

James:
The home grew to become unsellable. After we had been completed, not one particular person would purchase that home. And that is again when pricing was much more reasonably priced too. And we ended up having to maintain that as a rental for 2 years as a result of it simply wouldn’t commerce. So that you do wish to listen as you’re shopping for your investments. I don’t suppose it’s dangerous to have rental property within the space, however should you’re doing short-term growth flips, you wish to be a bit of bit cautious. You don’t need that additional objection in your deal.

Kathy:
Yeah, I imply, we’ve tried all types of issues in California. And Malibu grew to become, I don’t know should you guys know this, however grew to become a sanctuary metropolis. And over Covid, all the beachfront parking grew to become homeless properties and they might park RVs and their vehicles and LA handed a legislation saying that you possibly can dwell in your automotive. And naturally, the folks of Malibu truly needed that. They wish to discover a resolution for the homeless. What we found is that crime elevated dramatically and there weren’t actually the companies for folks. There have been no loos. So it’s simply dangerous. Backside line is a homeless downside is totally different than an affordability downside. To me, the homeless downside is extra of an opioid or psychological well being concern and simply offering some housing isn’t going to repair it. However I’ve talked about this earlier than.

James:
No, or at the very least work out easy methods to present housing that works for the plenty. These plans are half plans. They’re not even half plans, they’re tenth of a plan as a result of they’re spending all of the funds after which making minimal influence. And it’s like, you spend the funds, assist the folks, however make the influence. And it actually comes right down to authorities waste, authorities spending, they don’t know easy methods to develop stuff. They don’t know easy methods to construct issues.
I heard they had been constructing 80 Us for 800 grand in L.A. How do I get the contract for that? I’ll construct these all day lengthy. For us, it prices us 340 grand to construct that. The inefficiency and wasted {dollars} means nobody’s getting assist. It’s a pleasant principle, however they should put the correct plan behind it, identical to everyone has to do for constructing out a enterprise. If you wish to construct out a enterprise or construct out one thing that’s going to achieve success, you’ve received to suppose it during, the place I really feel prefer it’s simply this splash drop in. And on the identical time, it’s going to have an effect on folks. In case you personal housing in that area, your property could possibly be price much less. You may wish to promote and relo out. It’s undoubtedly one thing that needs to be addressed, however they should refine how they’re doing it as a result of it’s not working.

Dave:
All proper. Kathy, what’s your alternative that you simply’ve been taking a look at?

Kathy:
We’re going to go in a really, very totally different route from the primary two. I have a tendency to like stepping into areas earlier than one thing huge occurs, however you sort of understand it’s coming. It may be a bit of bit dangerous as a result of that huge factor may very well by no means occur. But when it does, that’s the place you’ll be able to actually make some huge cash. In case you purchase an outdated property in an space the place, once more, one thing big is coming in.
So that you all know that I really like the Park Metropolis space. I really like Utah. I believe they’re creating large jobs there. And plenty of the tech trade, they’re calling it Silicon Slopes. What lots of people don’t know, and now the phrase is out, as of this second, that proper behind Deer Valley, they’re constructing a model new ski resort. It’s referred to as the Mayflower. Mayflower Mountain Resort. And for years, they didn’t suppose this factor was going to occur. So should you purchased within the space and it didn’t occur, then… I don’t know. Do you guys know the place Heber Valley is? It’s not a well known space except you’re a fan of Park Metropolis.
So the homes on the market have been pretty low cost. However when this ski resort will get constructed and it’s going to be… Simply have a look at this, the Mayflower Mountain Resort will probably be North America’s latest world-class Alpine Village to be developed since 1981. So to me, it is a big deal in an space that’s already rising. You understand that Utah’s rising, that Salt Lake is rising, and there’s this new resort. So should you needed to put money into the resort, you’re going to need to have some deep pockets. I think about the properties are going to be within the hundreds of thousands for this if you wish to be ski and ski out.
Nevertheless, should you nonetheless wish to purchase one of many older properties close by, I believe there’s an enormous alternative shut by. There’s a growth the place there’s going to be a Tiger Woods golf course, after which the place I’m investing is a model new growth that’s not mine, however could possibly be. We might associate with these guys. However a good friend of mine, truly who I met by Ken McElroy, purchased my dream. He purchased a sizzling springs.

Dave:
Whoa.

Jamil:
Wow.

Kathy:
Yeah, he purchased… Like how do you purchase a sizzling springs? However he did it. And he’s going to have all these homes so you’ll be able to go ski on the Mayflower, this model new resort with all new gear, all new cool stuff, after which go residence and simply soar within the sizzling springs. So I really like the concept. I believe it’s actually cool. I believe you possibly can go in anyplace within the space and earn cash should you needed to purchase on this sizzling Springs growth. The way in which he’s promoting it’s the method I’ve been speaking about promoting in our Park Metropolis growth, which is the fractional shared trip possession.
As a result of one of many largest wastes of property, and I see it on a regular basis the place I dwell, is wealthy folks are available and purchase trip property and by no means use it. So that you’ve received world-class property that sits empty and it’s terrible. It’s disgusting. However should you’re capable of share it with a number of homeowners, so it’s at all times getting used, however how usually are you going to make use of it if it’s a trip residence? And on this case it’s six to eight weeks, which is greater than most individuals trip. And I believe the buy-in for a kind of 4 bed room properties, it’s within the two or 3 million greenback vary, is 300,000 in your share. So it’s not for everyone, it’s not out of vary for everyone, but it surely’s additionally not in vary for everyone. Nevertheless it’s cool. However once more, you possibly can purchase an outdated home within the space and do very effectively.

Dave:
James, what do you suppose?

James:
I like this.

Dave:
You’d in all probability be… Yep, precisely. He’s the one one who might afford it. So I believe…

James:
I had the privilege of staying at Kathy’s, one in every of Kathy’s items or one of many items that they developed in Park Metropolis, and it’s a tremendous place. There’s a lot progress there. After which what sort of blew me away was the quantity of our bodies that had been on that mountain and in that metropolis.

Dave:
James is scarred by this expertise.

James:
Oh, I circled and left all the best way on the market. I received there, I appeared on the line, I’m like, no, I don’t do strains.

Henry:
Me both, buddy.

James:
However that is actually wanted. After which it was like this, you possibly can hear the chaos within the ski strains. Persons are like, “Can we go to Deer Valley?” They’re like this quest to discover a good mountain. So I imply, the demand’s undoubtedly there. And I imply, round that metropolis, you possibly can see how a lot in Park Metropolis was developed within the final 10, 20 years. And the truth that it’s so near that downtown metropolis too, it was a very cool expertise. However I believe it’s actually wanted. It’s in excessive demand and it’s undoubtedly going to do what Kathy mentioned, and that’s convey property values up as a result of that’s the place the cash’s going. Cash goes to boost the values, and facilities are going to boost the values, together with this sizzling springs Tiger…
It looks as if Tiger Woods is doing golf programs all through the nation. He’s simply promoting his identify. I learn on three articles with him on the golf course, but it surely’s going to convey cash in and values will go up.

Kathy:
Oh, I forgot so as to add, there’s additionally Deepak Chopra within the growth that I’ll be investing in, presumably partnering and syndicating in. He, Deepak Chopra’s going to create a wellness middle there. And wellness facilities are actually on the rise. Folks wish to dwell longer. There’s an enormous era of child boomers who wish to be wholesome. And so there’s simply plenty of huge names tied to the world. And once more, that’s at all times good for arising actual property values.

Dave:
All proper, cool. That’s a great one. I prefer it. Jamil, what did you convey?

Jamil:
Okay, so earlier than I get a bunch of hate mail from folks about this, I simply wish to say that I selected one thing actually outdoors the field, and it’s about darkish tourism. And the article that I introduced, and the place I discovered it was… It truly listed on the market, JonBenét Ramsey’s residence, the place she was discovered lifeless. And once more, it’s by no means a vacationer attraction when one thing occurs to a toddler. Nevertheless, what I do wish to say is darkish tourism is alive and really, very, very, very profitable for people who find themselves prepared to put money into properties the place ugly crimes have occurred. For no matter motive, we’ve got an obsession as a nation to wish to see these locations.
And so should you lookup the Texas Chainsaw Bloodbath home, I imply, it’s a large draw. In case you’re ever in Los Angeles and also you wish to see the, what’s that TV present that Ryan Murphy does, American Horror Story Home, the American Horror Story Home, there’s at all times folks outdoors. There’s at all times folks eager to get in. It’s an enormous draw. And so I’m considering it’s fairly well-known that if one thing actually ugly occurs in a home, that it’s onerous to promote immediately. So hear me out. So let’s simply say as an example, you’re monitoring these ugly crimes and also you determine, okay, what I’m going to do is I’m going to supply 30 cents on the greenback for this stuff, and I’m simply going to carry on for a short time. As soon as the feelings settle, I can put it on Airbnb or one thing like Accord and presumably money in.
So right this moment, I believe there’s a singular alternative in darkish tourism. I wish to button this by saying proper now at that home is price 8 million {dollars}, or nearly 8 million {dollars}. They’re promoting it for slightly below 8 million bucks. And when the crimes occurred and when it was offered, it offered within the 400 hundreds. So we’re speaking a large appreciation from buy and it’s method past the appreciation of the neighborhood. It’s method past the appreciation of different properties within the space. And I consider the rationale for it’s due to the story connected.

Dave:
That’s fascinating. I imply, Boulder is a really costly market. I’ve pushed by this home. It’s in a really good space, in a really costly market. However are you saying folks can purchase it after which flip it right into a museum, otherwise you simply suppose another person goes to purchase it even for extra due to the historical past to it?

Jamil:
I believe that you possibly can monetize it by turning it right into a museum. Which once more, look, the ethics round which are questionable. However I imply, I simply suppose there’s a fascination. I believe there’s a chance. Look, I’ve pushed down Bundy Drive earlier than in hopes of having the ability to discover the OJ Home and discovered that they’ve demolished it. So I imply, why would I even wish to drive by? I’m not a weirdo or a sicko. However I used to be like, “I’m on Bundy Drive. I believe one thing actually loopy occurred there.” And I Googled it. I’m like, “Oh my God, OJ Simpson, let’s discover the home.”

Dave:
All proper. Nicely, thanks all for bringing these tales. We significantly admire it. And thanks all for listening. I’ll see you for the subsequent episode of On The Market.
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