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Jane Roberts/'Seth': Developments in the Sessions 1971 (from Seth Speaks)


Following The Seth Material (1970), the teachings continued with Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul (1972).  The source of Seth Speaks is a series of trance dictation sessions with the intended outcome being an entire book written by Seth.  The transcendental communicator known as 'Seth' had previously commented on one occasion:
"You are cocreators.  What you call God is the sum of all consciousness, and yet the whole is more than the sum of Its parts.  God is more than the sum of all personalities, and yet all personalities are what He is.

"There is constant creation.  There is within you a force that knew how to grow you from a fetus to a grown adult.  This force is part of the innate knowledge within all consciousness, and it is a part of the God within you."

"There were three men whose lives became confused in history and merged, and whose composite history became known as the life of Christ [the historical Jesus]."

The predicament of an individual unit of consciousness within All That Is (you or me) is further elucidated in Seth Speaks.
Those who understand thoroughly that reality is self-created will have least difficulty.  Those who have learned to understand and operate in the mechanics of the dream state will have great advantage.  A belief in demons is highly disadvantageous after death, as it is during physical existence.  A systematized theology of opposites is also detrimental.  If you believe, for example, that all good must be balanced to evil, then you bind yourself into a system of reality that is highly limiting, and that contains within it the seeds of great torment.

There are systems of probability that are not connected with your own system at all, much more advanced than any you presently imagine, and in these, the truths of which I have been speaking are well known.  In them individuals creatively and purposely create realities, knowing how to do so and giving full rein to the creative abilities of consciousness.

Throughout your reincarnational existences you expand your consciousness, your ideas, your perceptions, your values.  You break away from self-adopted restrictions, and you grow spiritually as you learn to step aside from limiting conceptions and dogmas.

The transcript of one session in Chapter 21 is presented in this article.  There are also some excerpts of following session transcripts in Chapter 22, the culminating chapter preceding Appendix session transcripts.  I am referencing the 1994 edition of Seth Speaks and included are some of the notes (in italics and parentheses) about the sessions as recorded by Robert F. Butts, the husband of Jane Roberts or 'Ruburt' as she was called by Seth.

SESSION 586, JULY 24, 1971,

Now: Good evening.

("Good evening, Seth.")

(Smiling): And welcome back. . . . Now give me a moment, and we will begin by resuming our chapter on religion.

Ideas of good and evil, gods and devils, salvation and damnation, are merely symbols of deeper religious values; cosmic values if you will, that cannot be translated into physical terms.

These ideas became the driving themes of these religious dramas of which I have spoken.  The actors may "return," time and time again, in different roles.  In any given historic religious drama, therefore, the actors may have already appeared on the historic scene in your past, the prophet of today being the traitor of the past drama.

These psychic entities are real, however.  It is quite true to say that their reality consists not only of the core of their own identity, but also is reinforced by those projected thoughts and the feelings of the earthly audience for whom the drama is enacted.

Psychic or psychological identification is of great import here and is indeed at the heart of all such dramas.  In one sense, you can say that man identifies with the gods he has himself created.  Man does not understand the magnificent quality of his own inventiveness and creative power, however.  Then, say that gods and men create each other, and you come even closer to the truth; but only if you are very careful in your definitions — for how, exactly, do gods and men differ?

The attributes of the gods are those inherent within man himself, magnified, brought into powerful activity.  Men believe that the gods live forever.  Men live forever, but having forgotten this, they remember only to endow their gods with this characteristic.  Obviously, then, beyond these earthly historic religious dramas, the seemingly recurring tales of gods and men, there are spiritual realities.

Behind the actors in the dramas, there are more powerful entities who are quite beyond role-playing.  The plays themselves, then, the religions that sweep across the ages — these are merely shadows, though helpful ones.  Behind the frame of good and evil is a far deeper spiritual value.  All religions, therefore, while trying to catch "truth" must to some large degree fear its ever eluding them.

The inner self alone, at rest, in meditation, can at times glimpse portions of these inner realities that cannot be physically expressed.  These values, intuitions, or insights are given each to each according to his understanding, and so the stories told about them will often vary.

For examples, the main character in a religious historical drama may or may not consciously be aware of the ways in which such information is given to him.  And yet it may seem to him that he does know, for the nature of a dogma's origin will be explained in terms that this main character can understand.  The historical Jesus knew who he was, but he also knew that he was one of three personalities composing one entity.  To a large extent he shared in the memory of the other two.

The third Personality, mentioned many times by me, has not in your terms yet appeared, although his existence has been prophesied as the "Second Coming" (Matthew 24).  Now these prophecies were given in terms of the current culture at that time, and therefore, while the stage has been set, the distortions are deplorable, for this Christ will not come at the end of your world as the prophecies have been maintaining.

He will not come to reward the righteous and send evildoers to eternal doom.  He will, however, begin a new religious drama.  A certain historical continuity will be maintained.  As happened once before, however, he will not be generally known for who he is.  There will be no glorious proclamation to which the whole world will bow.  He will return to straighten out Christianity, which will be in a shambles at the time of his arrival, and to set up a new system of thought when the world is sorely in need of one.

By that time, all religions will be in severe crisis.  He will undermine religious organizations — not unite them.  His message will be that of the individual in relation to All That Is.  He will clearly state methods by which each individual can attain a state of intimate contact with his own entity; the entity to some extent being man's mediator with All That Is.

By 2075, all of this will be already accomplished.

You may make a note here that Nostradamus saw the dissolution of the Roman Catholic Church as the end of the world.  He could not imagine civilization without it, hence many of his later predictions should be read with this in mind.

The third personality of Christ will indeed be known as a great psychic, for it is he who will teach humanity to use those inner senses that alone make true spirituality possible.  Slayers and victims will change roles as reincarnational memories rise to the surface of consciousness.  Through the development of these abilities, the sacredness of all life will be intimately recognized and appreciated.

Now there will be several born before that time who in various ways will rearouse man's expectations.  One such man has already been born in India, in a small province near Calcutta, but his ministry will seem to remain comparatively local for his lifetime.

Another will be born in Africa, a black man whose main work will be done in Indonesia.  The expectations were set long ago in your terms, and will be fed by new prophets until the third personality of Christ does indeed emerge.

He will lead men behind the symbolism upon which religion has relied for so many centuries.  He will emphasize individual spiritual experience, the expansiveness of soul, and teach man to recognize the multitudinous aspects of his own reality.

Now you may take your break.

("Thank you."

(9:37.  Seth spoke humorously about break, since the pace had been mostly fast, with few pauses.  Jane's trance had been good.  I had to work harder than usual taking notes because I was out of practice; I also discovered I'd temporarily forgotten some of the symbols I use in my own version of Speedwriting.

(During the break Jane read over parts of Chapter Eighteen of The Seth Material, then announced that she thought there was a contradiction, between that material—originally from the 491st session on July 2, 1969—on the three Christs, and the information given by Seth this evening.  Here are the paragraphs in question from pages 246-247 of the chapter on "The God Concept":

("There were three men whose lives became confused in history and merged, and whose composite history became known as the life of Christ. . . . Each was highly gifted psychically, knew of his role, and accepted it willingly.  The three men were a part of one entity, gaining physical existence in one time.  They were not born on the same date, however.  There are many reasons the entity did not return as one person.  For one thing, the full consciousness of an entity would be too strong for one physical vehicle.  For another, the entity wanted a more diversified environment than could otherwise be provided.

(The entity was born once as John the Baptist, and then he was born in two other forms.  One of these contained the personality that most stories of Christ refer to. . . . I will tell you about the other personality at a later time.  There was constant communication between these three portions of one entity, though they were born and buried at different dates.  The race called up these personalities from its own psychic bank, from the pool of individualized consciousness that was available to it."
(I too had begun wondering.  All along we'd been thinking the three personalities making up the Christ entity had already lived and died, but now here Seth was talking about the third personality returning in the next century.  What was the explanation?  We weren't upset; yet we did feel uneasy as the session resumed at 9:57.)

Now: Let us resume.

The third historical personage, already born in your terms, and a portion of the entire Christ personality, took upon himself the role of a zealot.

This person had superior energy and power and great organizing abilities, but it was the errors that he made unwittingly that perpetuated some dangerous distortions.  The records of that historical period are scattered and contradictory.

The man, historically now, was Paul or Saul.  It was given to him to set up a framework.  But it was to be a framework of ideas, not of regulations; of men, not of groups.  Here he fell down, and he will return as the third personality, just mentioned, in your future.

In that respect, however, there are not four personalities.

Now Saul went to great lengths to set himself as a separate identity.  His characteristics, for example, were seemingly quite different from those of the historical Christ.  He was "converted" in an intense personal experience — a fact that was meant to impress upon him the personal and not organizational aspects.  Yet some exploits of his in his earlier life have been attributed to Christ — not as a young man, but earlier.

All personalities have free will and work out their own challenges.  The same applied to Saul.  The organizational "distortions," however, were also necessary within the framework of history as events are understood.  Sal's tendencies were known, therefore, at another level.  They served a purpose.  It is for this reason, however, that he will emerge once again, this time to destroy those distortions.

Now he did not create them on his own, and thrust them upon historical reality.  He created them in so far as he found himself forced to admit certain facts: In that world at that time, earthly power was needed to hold Christian ideas apart from numberless other theories and religions, to maintain them in the middle of warring factions.  It was his job to form a physical framework; and even then he was afraid that the framework would strangle the ideas, but he saw no other way.

("Why the two names, Paul and Saul?")

He was called both.  When the third personality reemerges historically, however, he will not be called the old Paul, but will carry within him the characteristics of all the three personalities.

(Jane paused again.  "Can I ask you a very stupid question?")

You may.

(There followed a short exchange between Seth and me, which isn't recorded verbatim because it was too rapid.  I was interested in learning whether, and when, the three personalities of the Christ entity had met as physical beings.  It seemed that superior psychic interactions would have taken place among them, and I wanted to know more about this.  Jane, as Seth, listened politely to my groping questions.)

It is easy to see that you have no knowledge of the Bible —


— for this would be fairly apparent to those who have.

Paul tried to deny knowing who he was, until his experience with conversion.  Allegorically, he represented a warring faction of the self that fights against his own knowledge and is oriented in a highly physical manner.  It seemed he went from one extreme to another, being against Christ and then for him.  But the inner vehemence was always present, the inner fire, and the recognition that he tried for so long to hide.

His was the portion that was to deal with physical reality and manipulation, and so these qualities were strong in him.  To some extent they overruled him.  When the historical Christ "died," Paul was to implement the spiritual ideas in physical terms, to carry on.  In so doing, however, he grew the seeds of an organization that would smother the ideas.  He lingered after Christ, [just] as John the Baptist came before.  Together the three spanned some time period, you see.

John and historical Christ each performed their roles and were satisfied that they had done so.  Paul alone was left at the end unsatisfied, and so it is about his personality that the future Christ will form.

The entity of which these personalities are part, that entity which you may call the Christ entity, was aware of these issues.  The earthly personalities were not aware of them, although in periods of trance and exaltation much were made known to them.

Paul also represented the militant nature of man, that had to be taken into consideration in line with man's development at the time.  That militant quality in man will completely change its nature, and be dispensed with as you know it, when the next Christ personality emerges.  It is therefore appropriate that Paul be present.

In the next century, the inner nature of man, with these developments, will free itself from many constraints that have bound it.  A new era will indeed begin — not, now, a heaven on earth, but a far more sane and just world, in which man is far more aware of his relationship with his planet and of his freedom within time.

Now you may take a break in time.

Notes in the book chronicle questions that Rob had about this new information provided by Seth.  Jane told him the answers to these questions had "come" to her: "She didn't get this information in exact words, she said, but felt it and had to translate it . . ."
Now: Let us continue.

Ruburt was correct in the answers he just gave you.

I would like to make certain points clear.  The "new religion" following the Second Coming will not be Christian in your terms, although the third personality of Christ will initiate it.

This personality will refer to the historical Christ, will recognize his relationship with that personality; but within him the three personality groupings will form a new psychic entity, a different psychological gestalt.  As this metamorphosis takes place, it will initiate a metamorphosis on a human level also (emphatically), as man's inner abilities are accepted and developed.

The results will be a different kind of existence.  Many of your problems now result from spiritual ignorance.  No man will look down upon an individual from another race when he himself recognizes that his own existence includes such membership also.

No sex will be considered better than the other, or any role in society, when each individual is aware of his own or her own experience at many levels of society and in many roles.  An open-ended consciousness will feel its connections with all other living beings.  The continuity of consciousness will become apparent.  As a result of all this the social and governmental structures will change, for they are based upon your current beliefs.

Human personality will reap benefits that now would seem unbelievable.  An open-ended consciousness will imply far greater freedom.  From birth, children will be taught that basic identity is not dependent upon the body, and that time as you know it is an illusion.  The child will be aware of many of its past experiences, and will be able to identify with the old man or woman that in your terms it will become.

Many of the lessons "that come with age" will then be available to the young, but the old will not lose the spiritual elasticity of their youth.  This itself is important.  But for some time, future incarnations will still be hidden for practical reasons.

As these changes come about, new areas will be activated in the brain to physically take care of them.  Physically then, brain mappings will be possible in which past-life memories are evoked.  All of these alterations are spiritual changes in which the meaning of religion will escape organizational bounds, become a living part of individual existence, and where psychic frameworks rather than physical ones form the foundations for civilization.

Man's experience will be so extended that to you the species will seem to have changed into another.  This does not mean there will not be problems.  It does mean that man will have far greater resources at his command.  It also presupposes a richer and far more diverse social framework.  Men and women will find themselves relating to their brethren, not only as the people that they are, but as the people that they were.

Family relationships will show perhaps the greatest changes.  There will be room for emotional interactions within the family that are now impossible.  The conscious mind will be more aware of unconscious material.

I am including this information in this chapter on religion because it is important that you realize that spiritual ignorance is at the basis of so many of your problems, and that indeed your only limitations are spiritual ones.

The metamorphosis mentioned earlier on the part of the third personality, will have such strength and power that it will call out from mankind these same qualities from within itself.  The qualities have always been present.  They will finally break through the veils of physical perception, extending that perception in new ways.

Now, mankind lacks such a focus.  The third personality will represent that focus.  There will be, incidentally, no crucifixion in that drama.  That personality will indeed by multidimensional, aware of all its incarnations.  It will not be oriented in terms of one sex, one color, or one race.

For the first time, therefore, it will break through the earthly concepts of personality, liberating personality.  It will have the ability to show these diverse effects as it chooses.  There will be many who will be afraid to accept the nature of their own reality, or to be shown the dimensions of true identity.

For several reasons, as mentioned by Ruburt, I do not want to give any more detailed information as to the name that will be used, or the land of birth.  Too many might be tempted to jump into that image prematurely.

Events are not predestined.  The framework for this emergence has already been set, however, within your system of probabilities.  The emergence of this third personality will directly affect the original historical drama of Christ as it is now known.  There is and must be interactions between them.

You may take your break, or end the session as you prefer.

("We'll take the break.")

The session briefly resumed with some banter about chapter headings for Seth Speaks along with some remarks about Rob having missed an ESP class.  Seth invited Rob to have some further personal sessions while continuing the book sessions.  Seth's final words for Session 586 were: "My fondest regards then, and good evening.  It's always a pleasure."

A chapter outline for Seth Speaks as given by Seth mentioned a plan to speak about "my own relationship with the personality you call Seth Two, and with multidimensional consciousness far more evolved than I."  This became Chapter 22 with Seth giving accounts of Earth incarnations: "In the historical time of Christ, I was a man called Millenius, in Rome."  He was a merchant whose wares included bells for donkeys.  Seth also mentioned: "Much later in your terms I would end up as a minor pope in the third century, meeting again some of those I had known — and if you will forgive a humorous note, once more familiar with the sound of bells."

Seth continued:
It is not my purpose to go into my past existences in any great detail, but to use them to make certain points.  First of all, I have been many times both man and woman, and I have immersed myself in various occupations, but always with the idea of learning so that I could teach.  I had a firm background in physical existence, therefore, as a prerequisite for my present 'work.'

I did not play the part of any towering personality of historical note, but became experienced in the homey and intimate details of daily life, the normal struggle for achievement, the need for love.  I learned the unutterable yearning of father for son, son for father, husband for wife, wife for husband, and fell headlong into the intimate webs of human relationships.  Before your idea of history, I was a Lumanian, and was later born in Atlantis.

Using your historical reference, I returned at the time of the cavemen, operating as a Speaker.  Now I have always been a Speaker, regardless of my physical occupation.  I have been a spice merchant in Denmark, where I knew Ruburt and Joseph.  In several lives I was black — once in what is now called Ethiopia, and once in Turkey.

My lives as monks followed my experience as a pope, and in one of these, I was a victim of the Spanish Inquisition.  My experience in female lives varied from that of a plain Dutch spinster to a courtesan at the time of the biblical David, to several existences as a humble mother with children.

In this chapter, Seth is quoted during the August 2, 1971 session:
The following paragraphs will be written by another personality, who stands relatively in the same position to me as I stand to the woman through whom I am now speaking.

(Pause at 11:51.  I now watched a transformation begin to take place in Jane, as our familiar Seth retreated and Seth Two began to come to the fore.  At the same time I knew that subjectively Jane was experiencing the feeling of a "cone" or "pyramid" coming down on the top of her head.  Jane has often told me that whereas she feels Seth come to her in a very warm and alive and friendly manner, she feels her consciousness going out of herself to meet Seth Two — "up the invisible pyramid like a draft up a flue."  She doesn't know where she goes or how she gets back.  Her body seems to be left behind.)

We are the voices who speak without tongues of our own.  We are sources of that energy from which you come.  We are creators, yet we have also been created.  We seeded your universe as you seed other realities.

We do not exist in your historical terms, nor have we known physical existence.  Our joy created the exaltation from which your world comes.  Our existence is such that communication must be made by others to you.

Verbal symbols have no meaning for us.  Our experience is not translatable.  We hope our interest is.  In the vast infinite scope of consciousness, all is possible.  There is meaning in each thought.  We perceive your thoughts as lights.  They form patterns.  (Each syllable was so carefully and separately pronounced.)

Because of the difficulties of communication, it is nearly impossible for us to explain our reality.  Know only that we exist.  We send immeasurable vitality to you, and support all of those structures of consciousness with which you are familiar.  You are never alone.  We have always sent emissaries to you who understand your needs.  Though you do not know us, we cherish you.

Seth is a point in my reference, in our reference.  He is an ancient portion of us.  We are separate but united.  Always the spirit forms the flesh.

A note from Mark Russell Bell: Learning about different cases of transcendental communication presents readers with different articulations of the truths being conveyed.  As reported in a previous article, Paulina Peavy on a 1958 Long John Nebel radio broadcast is heard to channel the following statements:

. . . We are universal beings. We do not place upon ourselves labels as do you to call ourselves John Doe forever for we now, hold your hats — for we have found perpetuity of life.  And it would be very droll if we called ourselves Paulina Peavy for the rest — from now on.  Therefore, we come and many times when you hear one voice you hear a multitude of us.  For we are in a world whereby we have thoughts simultaneously with uncountable legions of us.  We do not give Paulina personal names for us.  She has a name which is her name when she speaks to us. We do not use your names in our world.

We are your elders.  We ages ago were like you, as you.  We have progressed by many eons of time beyond your station and now we exist as a perfected—you would say—seed.  When you see us and we are able to reduce our high frequency waves to come into your sight in your skies; and you see us as flying saucers, we are showing you our planetary form for we are a single cell with one eye.  The original eye.  Out of that single cell we mutate into creature form as you take your birth.

We have never departed you and your world.  And the world is not as you think you see it with your two outer eyes.  You might say the world, id (or "ID"), an atomic nature of matter.  We do not see skies like you see skies.  We see into the eye of the atom.  Even the eye of the atom that you smash.  And you know that when you smash an atom you see volumes of infinity emerging from that microscopic eye.  We indwell, ourselves, our eye — we are interspacial beings coming out, emerging or slowing up our molecular rate that you might perceive us.

For more information about previous blog articles about this subject see "Channeling Cases - Articles and Videos Links Index" (many links — allow a few moments for page to download).  The Jane Roberts/'Seth' case is also a subject of the preceding article.

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