Good morning and welcome to the show to start your day with energy. Today I (JB Glossinger) get to interview the CEO of Elite HRV to discuss what is HRV and why it is essential that you track it.

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Episode 2926 Elite HRV & My Interview With Jason Moore

J.B.: [00:00:12] Good morning and welcome the Morning Coach today. I am so glad you’re with us. As you know. my name is J.B. Glossinger, and this is your first evolution system, the place to get your day started right. Welcome, welcome, welcome, and I’m so glad you’re with me today. As always, we’re rockin’ ‘n rollin’ and putting some great energy out  there. You know, that’s what it’s about. And also bringing you some new ideas and thoughst and evolution and personal development and some new things that we can do.

J.B.: [00:00:40] And as you know, for those of you taking the M/M course with me, Mindfulness and Meditation, we’ve been delving into HRV. And for those of you’re not taking the course, you’re going what is HRV? And you’re going crazy with this. Well, today, I’m excited to have Jason Moore with me, the CEO of Elite HRV, and we’re going to get into this a little bit today to help you understand a little bit more with this and to delve into it.

J.B.: [00:01:01] So, Jason, welcome to the show.

Jason: [00:01:04] Hey, J.B., thanks for having me. Really appreciate it. Love what you’re doing. I love the energy that you bring to all of this, and I’m sure folks can understand that, and it’s really great. So, I’m excited to be here.

J.B.: [00:01:15] It’s awesome to have you. And, you know, I, you know, we’ve just gotten to know each other through, basically, me using your app. So really getting excited about this whole HRV kind of revolution that I believe that’s going on, that really can change personal development. And can you give me a little bit of your background? I mean, you know, why did you jump into this area you know? Why are you so passionate about it?

Jason: [00:01:39] So, definitely. I come from an information systems background and HRV is kind of a data heavy topic. And, I studied information systems in college, and then I went on to the oil industry and helped design and implement some large scale data analysis systems. I was kind of tracking the health of pretty expensive equipment out in the field as it did its job. And on the side, though, I was just kind of a normal person, you know, going nowhere, trying to be fit and healthy and trying to do different things. So, I became a health coach and personal trainer. And I’ve always been kind of a geeky kind of person that likes to read all about different things and really dig into the weeds and stuff. So, I was looking for ways that I could better track my progress and the progress of my clients. And also, I had recently injured myself and was kind of struggling a little bit with making progress on my own goals.

Jason: [00:02:45] I came across Heart Rate Variability, which I’ll explain what that is. It’s a little different from heart rate. But I dug into the research, started networking with folks on it, and ended up speaking at a couple conferences about it because I had pulled together some neat information, and decided at some point along the way that given my background in creating these data tracking systems, that I might be able to create a heart rate variability and health and fitness tracking device that would be really useful for people.

Jason: [00:03:20] And so I did. Put it out there for free, mainly because I just thought it was really cool and wanted a lot of people to have access to it. And it just took on a mind of its own and started growing. Lots of people started downloading it, and it became a business that is today, which I quit my job in oil and gas a couple of years ago, and I’ve been working on Elite HRV which is named of our company now for a couple of years.

J.B.: [00:03:48] That’s fantastic. That’s awesome, and that story alone is cool. I want to delve into that some other time because I love the fact that you’re building a business on your passion, you know, and I love that. And that’s part of what we do here at Morning Coach too. But we’re specifically talking about HRV today, so we’re going to have to get into that again because I want to, and I’m really holding back because I want to know more about thaet. OK? Can you explain kind of what HRV is? Because, you know, we were hearing this a lot. You know, I’m trying to teach it the best I can. Give us kind of a breakdown, if you don’t mind.

Jason: [00:04:19] Yeah, for sure. So, the first thing that folks think of when you say heart rate variability is usually heart rate. So, heart rate does play an important piece in HRV, but HRV is a lot deeper of a metric than just basic heart rate, and I’ll explain a little bit why. Heart rate kind of looks at like beats per minute. So, you may be familiar with, you know, if you, if you’re resting, your heart rate might be like 70 beats per minute. If you’re exercising, it might be like 120 beats per minute. But, interestingly, the heart doesn’t beat just one beat per second if it’s 60 bpm, or just two beats per second if it’s 120 beats per minute. It’s not like a metronome, so to speak. It’s actually having these tiny little fluctuations in the way that it beats between every successive beat.

Jason: [00:05:14] So, you know, every time I explain this, I use slightly different words like “successive beat” or “interbeat interval” or “RR interval.” These are all just kind of technobabble for saying that there’s patterns in your heart beat that are really hard to detect. They’re really small, but with current technology, we can apply some really specific calculations to those little patterns in your heartbeat, and we can actually detect activity from your nervous system. And your nervous system, which includes your brain and your spinal cord and all the nerves that branch out from your spinal cord and connect to all of your organs and muscles and the digestive tract and all these other things, it’s really kind of a central regulatory system that connects to almost everything in the body. And we tried to measure that and understand what’s going on by kind of applying some advanced algorithms and things.

Jason: [00:06:16] But then, basically, we try to produce some simple kind of scoring system that lets you know what’s going on with your stress, what’s going on with the recovery, and also with the kind of bigger picture of how your systems are playing with each other at the moment. So, hopefully, that was kind of a nice high-level thing. I’m happy to dig in any area now.

J.B.: [00:06:41] No, I love that, and I think when, you know, in the course, you know, when I took one of your courses, you know, I think in the courses that, you know, HRV is a real indicator of health, and I love that. And can you kind of expand, expand on that a little bit? I mean, what, what do you mean when it, when I say, you know, HRV is a measure of health, or it is, you know, kind of how your health is?

Jason: [00:07:03] Yes, so basically, if you distill it down to kind of a fundamental principle is that everything that you interact with both inside and outside of your body is a stressor. Right? And so, stress, people often think of kind of negative stressors like, you know, being late for work or something like that that can be stressful. But there’s lots and lots of different things that we interact with, everything from the food we eat to the air that we breathe and what we’re thinking about in any moment or, you know, different things like that. These are all- or lifting a weight, for example- all of these are types of stresses, and some of them are good, and some of them are bad, so to speak. Really, good and bad is a lot about perception, of course.

Jason: [00:07:55] But, anyways, what we’re looking at is, in general, how does your body, how able is your body and mind able to tolerate stress. So, how resilient are you to stress, and how well do you kind of adapt to it and recover from it. And so, a healthier person is usually much more resilient and able to tolerate more stress. They’re also able to juggle multiple things or recover from periods of higher levels of stress. Because we all know stress is unavoidable. We all experience it. And no matter how healthy or fit we are, we’re going to have times where we get a little over-stressed, whether it’s from exercise or lifestyle or other factors. But, usually, healthy people can bounce back from that more easily.

Jason: [00:08:48] And so HRV, how does this all relate to HRV? Interestingly, when you’re at rest and specific conditions which we can talk about, your heart actually kind of chills out, so to speak. And it, it becomes a little bit more variable. So, this is kind of a weird concept we can just dig into at a high level here is that it’s a little bit reverse of what you might think. When you’re at rest, you kind of want your heart to just be beating not willy-nilly, so to speak, but it’s not necessarily taking tight control.

Jason: [00:09:26] This is the flip side of it that’s easier to explain. When you’re under stress, whether it’s from exercise or any other source, your heart beat gets a lot more consistent. So, your body’s taking control of the heart and saying we need to deliver resources on time and efficiently. And so, it becomes much more consistent. So HRV goes down when you’re under stress. Typically, there’s, obviously, you know, as with anything, there’s exceptions, but, so, the heart becomes more consistent. HRV goes down. Oftentimes heart rate, in that situation, will go up, especially if you’re exercising. But that’s not always the case, especially with psychological stress, things like that. But so, I don’t know if that was too confusing or roundabout, but…

J.B.: [00:10:16] That’s great, Jason. So, you know, and again, it’s funny you brought up judgment. We don’t judge here at Morning Coach. We’re metaphysical, so we never know when things are, things are good or bad, right? Because you never know. And it’s the same thing in the HRV world, which is great, because sometimes bad stress is good stress. But I think what you’re saying is- and I think this is so important understand is- that so, as stress occurs and as, you know, it’s starting to happen to us, we tend to get more of the metronome-ish heart condition where we’re, you know, it’s a consistent pattern, less variation. Is that what I’m hearing?

Jason: [00:10:49] Yep, exactly. And you can kind of think of it, too, as being flexible versus being rigid. And when, when you’re under stress, like, you know, the first thing that happens, maybe, when somebody pushes you- hopefully not everybody is getting pushed around all the time- but if someone pushes you, you kind of tense up usually to resist it. Right? And they train really high-level martial artists to resist that reaction and to be more fluid and dynamic, kind of roll with the punches, absorb things a little bit better, be more flexible. That’s kind of what we want to do in life, too. And that’s how we want our systems to behave is to be able to kind of absorb stresses and be resilient to those without kind of tensing up and becoming rigid. So, that’s kind of just another flavor of how you can think about heart rate variability is that you want to be variable and flexible and be able to recover from different situations or adapt to different situations quickly versus being like constantly in under tight control and rigid.

J.B.: [00:12:00] It makes sense. We’ve heard it here. You know, you’ve always heard about the drunk driver that gets blasted in an accident that there’s no way he could survive, and he ends up surviving it because he was limp and limber. And then you hear about the, you know, the person that wasn’t drinking and didn’t survive because they tensed up. It’s kind of the same thing.

Jason: [00:12:18] Yeah. Yeah and you hear the same story in people falling from a high place and falling 50 feet and then surviving because they were already unconscious when they fell or something like that, so they were relaxed. But yeah, so that’s a very good kind of visual and physical analogy, so to speak.

J.B.: [00:12:38] And that makes sense. So, when we’re, OK, so, now we’re going to use, so we’re using the Elite HRV app in the morning, you know, and this is a question that I get a lot as we’re getting started. We’re getting a lot of people, getting baselines right now, getting started here. When we get the number, OK? Can you tell us a little bit about some of the things we should do or something we should look for in that number as we start consistently doing this every morning?

Jason: [00:13:01] Sure. So, there’s two ways you can look at HRV. So, to kind of summarize what you’re talking about is that folks typically measure HRV first thing in the morning. And it’s, the first thing in the morning is a great time to get a status check on yourself and see, you know, check in with your situation, which I think people can appreciate on this channel. And basically, what you can look at is where you kind of stack up. You kind of want to get a general gauge of where you stack up on the population scale. Right?

Jason: [00:13:38] So, we don’t emphasize comparing yourself to others very much just because there’s a lot of inherent negativity that can come from that, but you kind of want a general idea of your starting point. So, you can look in the Elite HRV app at the population comparison chart, and you can just see generally where you stack up as far as like, is your HRV higher than normal, lower than normal for your age, gender, demographic type stuff. And that just gives you an idea of how much room for improvement you might have or generally if things are going to be kind of going you know average or above average. So, that I just recommend people kind of give that a glance to see generally where, where you stand.

Jason: [00:14:24] But the thing is, it’s much more important to look at comparing yourself to yourself over time because that’s where the real progress can be made. And we actually all have a lot of improvement that we can make, even if we’re above average, so to speak. So, that’s what we really focus on on the app. And basically, each morning, what we do is, we compare your heart rate variability from that morning to your personal and individualized baseline over time.

Jason: [00:14:56] And so, we, our app kind of detects your individual patterns and your personalized stress and recovery patterns and just shows it to you, essentially, and then, each morning, gives you a little score that says, “Hey J.B., today, you’re probably more able to handle stress than your recent, you know, couple weeks, your baseline.

Jason: [00:15:20] So, if you’re the type that’s looking for when you might want to exercise or maybe you’re wanting to tackle some stressful problem that you’ve been working on or something like that, maybe today’s a good day to try to put a little extra energy into that and tackle it.

Jason: [00:15:37] Or, on the flip side, because we all have better days and not as good days, it kind of helps you check in and say, OK, well, you know, I might be a little bit more stressed out just going into the day, today. And when I say stressed out, of course, I don’t mean like you necessarily have to be stressed out like you’re already negative at the beginning of the day or something like that. All I mean is, like, for example, maybe this week you worked a lot and you didn’t sleep as much as you normally would, so you’re kind of operating with a little bit less in the tank, so to speak.

Jason: [00:16:15] So, maybe today you don’t want to push too hard and try to tackle all of these different things that you need to do and maybe select one or two really key things that you want to get done and just focus on those instead of trying to juggle five or six things. You know? That might be good advice no matter what day it is, but maybe today, specifically, you really want to heed that advice. Maybe instead of doing a high intensity exercise, maybe going for a walk might be more restorative and actually better for you towards your goals. So, there’s a lot of different ways.

J.B.: [00:16:51] Get some active rest where you just go for a walk. That makes sense. And so, we can kind of get a judge of what you’ve got to take on. Now, the thing is with, Jason, once we get this, and we see it, and it’s one of those bad days, you know, are there some things that you can suggest we can do? You know, obviously, we’re doing a meditation course. We can utilize some tools to kind of help us a little bit to deal with that stress a little better. Will HRV help us with that?

Jason: [00:17:18] Yes, definitely so. There’s a lot of experimentation in individual situations, personal situations. Basically, what I’m trying to say is, everybody is pretty unique, but we all have a similar kind of underlying physiological response to things. So, when, let’s say your score kind of goes down and you think that it might be something that’s related to sleep or maybe you find that sleep is like a really big thing that might be impacting your health and your ability to perform in life. You can do some experimentation. And you can try to work in an extra hour of sleep and see how different your scores are after that. You know, you can do some, and then, maybe, you, what you might find is that nothing changes. So, maybe, it wasn’t sleep that was actually the biggest mover for you, and, maybe, it was actually nutrition, or, maybe, maybe, it was sleep but something besides the length. And, maybe, instead, you need to sleep in a darker room or, maybe, turn off the TV an hour earlier, so that you have time to decompress before going to bed. So, there’s different things you can do to kind of trial and tweak your health and outcomes. And HRV can kind of let you know if you’re moving the needle in the right direction or the wrong direction as you do those experimentations.

Jason: [00:18:49] And then, on the flip side of that, there’s some things you can do in the moment, like you were just saying. Let’s say you wake up and your reading was a little bit lower than normal and you’re kind of coming into the day at a deficit, so to speak. You know, your morning meditation, if you use HRV during your meditation what you might see is that HRV will come up almost immediately, especially once you practice with it.

Jason: [00:19:19] And so, meditation, you know, I won’t go too far into that because you’re creating, you’ve got a whole course going on it, but meditation can be intimidating for some folks, especially if you’re kind of an analytical person and you’re not really sure if it’s doing anything, or if you’re just kind of, you know, are you doing it right? or what’s going on? HRV kind of helps provide an objective measure. And you can see in the moment, HRV going up as your stress goes down and your recovery systems kind of turn on.

J.B.: [00:19:53] And you kind of move into the parasympathetic, right, as you’re getting deeper and deeper into meditation, and that’s your indicator.

Jason: [00:19:58] Exactly.

J.B.: [00:20:00] Awesome. That’s awesome. Well, I got a couple of questions, Jason. This is great. I mean, I love this. So, one of the questions I got recently was “Hey, I just started my baseline. I’ve been doing this for two weeks, and the numbers are consistently the same every day. And sometimes, that’s not what we want to see, right? Am I wrong in that?” Like if we’re, if we’re just seeing the same thing every day, are we not stressing the body enough in some points?

Jason: [00:20:23] Yeah, that’s exactly right. So, that can be one thing… You know, people in general, myself included, are creatures of habit, and we tend to try to repeat things that are comfortable for us or do things that are consistent, naturally. And so, it sounds funny to say that because you’re like, “Oh, no,” you know, somebody might be thinking, “Well, I’ve been trying to get healthy. I just can’t be consistent with eating,” or something like that. But that’s because you’re reverting back to your consistent other behavior that’s more comfortable, in the moment.

Jason: [00:21:00] But anyways, to your point, basically, if you’re not experiencing ebbs and flows of stress, it might be because you’ve been kind of on a similar routine for a really long period of time, or your exercise that you’ve been doing is either, like you said, maybe not not enough of a strain to actually cause any type of adaptation. And that could be positive and negative as well, depending on your goals. Like, if you’re trying to get fitter, for example, or something like that, then you actually want your body to experience elevated levels of stress with exercise so that you can adapt to that and then become, you know, stronger, fitter, or whatever your goal is. And if you’re not experiencing that, then you’re pretty much just in maintenance mode, which is not necessarily a negative if you’re just trying to maintain whatever you’re doing currently.

Jason: [00:22:01] But yeah, like, to your question, if you’re HRV is staying the same on most days or is really close to the same on most days, it generally means that there’s either some kind of underlying stress that’s really kind of overwhelming everything else. Like, for example, if somebody has a chronically inflammatory diet, that diet can kind of override the ebbs and flows of other types of stress and just kind of have a constant low level stress.

Jason: [00:22:35] Or, maybe, you’re just, your routine is very comfortable and consistent, something you’ve been doing for a long time. And you might want to shake it up if you want to get a little adaptation in there, because adaptation occurs from more novel stimulus. Like, for example, if you’re trying to get stronger and you just lift the same weight every day, then your returns on that, your strength adaptation is going to slow down really rapidly and eventually just stop. So, you need to change up either the number of reps or the amount of weight or something like that.

J.B.: [00:23:12] Yeah, OK, that’s cool, and that’s kind of what I was getting at, you know, is kind of, what are we going to do with these numbers? So, just a couple other quick little things here. So, can we improve our variability? Can we improve our HRV by monitoring it, checking it, using the app, understanding where we’re going? Can we actually get healthier or more adaptive to stress through this process?

Jason: [00:23:37] Yeah, definitely. So, one of the best things about it is that since it’s, once you’re kind of all set up, it’s really easy to start experimenting. And when I say easy, there’s, of course, there are some things you have to learn about it and some things like that to kind of point you in the right direction, but once you kind of get all that ball rolling, you can really start to experiment and find out which areas are the biggest bang for your buck in increasing health or resilience or fitness and those types of goals that kind of encompass your whole body and mind.

J.B.: [00:24:10] That’s awesome. Yes. So, what I would- if you’re cool with this, OK?- What I’d like to do is get everybody started. There’s a couple of things going on. A lot of people are using chest straps, and I want to talk about your Kickstarter because I think it’s really important. And then, if you wouldn’t mind coming back on, like in a month, like as we start getting data and we really start digging, because obviously that sounds like a longer conversation, or hey, I can get you some questions. Would you be cool with that?

Jason: [00:24:33] Yeah, for sure. I’d be happy to do that J.B., happy to.

J.B.: [00:24:36] Awesome. Awesome. That’d be so cool. So, here’s the deal. And I want everybody to know this. So, right now, everybody’s using chest straps, and I wish that we could have Jason on six months from now, because they have got this cool Kickstarter going on that I supported. And you want to talk about that? Because, you know, I actually had one of my coaching clients say, “J.B., I’m doing HRV every day, but I’m really, you know, I’m having trouble with the straps. I’m going to bed with it before, because I, you know, I just want to put it on.” Can you… you know, and here’s the other thing, and a lot of people ask me about optical, and I’ve told them, you know, optical is not accurate enough. So, we really can’t get a good reading for that. So, we have to use a chest strap. But you’ve got an alternative. Can you tell us a little bit about measurement and why you guys are doing what you’re doing with the Kickstarter?

Jason: [00:25:20] Yeah, definitely. So, heart rate variability requires pretty accurate hardware and pretty accurate readings. So, if anyone’s kind of been tracking their heart rate on like a wrist wearable or something like that, you know, the accuracy might have been questionable. But, generally now, those devices are pretty good for just basic heart rate type stuff, especially if you’re not moving around too much. But we need really extreme accuracy for heart rate variability. So, up until now, we’ve pretty much been stuck with referring people to chest straps, which is like a heart rate monitor that you wrap around your chest. And it’s really great for people who don’t mind it. Specifically, athletes who have already had them or something. But it’s kind of annoying, and it kind of impedes the the natural and kind of stress free experience that we envision for folks.

Jason: [00:26:18] So, we tried to take this a step further. And also not compete with people like, you know, Fitbit, who, people really enjoy their step counters and things that they wear on their wrists. We’re trying to take this deep metric and just make it really easy to capture. So, we’ve designed a device that clips onto the end of your finger and actually takes… it’s designed from the ground up for heart rate variability, with accuracy first and then convenience as a close second. And basically, in two minutes a day, you just pop this on your finger. You get your reading first thing in the morning. You can really, you can set your coffee or tea or whatever it is that you to do in the morning, you know, heat up the water something, pop it on your finger, and in two minutes, you get your score. And then you can just put it down, and you don’t have to wear it all day. You know, you can basically forget about it or throw it in your bag in case you want to do some live kind of biofeedback meditation later in the day or something.

Jason: [00:27:20] But, yeah. So, it’s called CorSense. Basically, it’s a finger sensor that takes a lot of different technologies and wraps them all into one. And we use our, we have like five million readings in our database now for heart rate variability and related metrics. So, we’ve kind of refined algorithms a lot to increase the accuracy, and we’re applying all these different techniques to make accurate HRV capturable from the fingertip.

J.B.: [00:27:52] That’s awesome. And for me, I think it’s great, and I’ll send everybody an email with the link so you can go there. I’ll put it up on the website. We’re going to have it in the web site for you too. It’s going to be everywhere. I’ll put it up on Facebook so you can go get one of these. And what’s our timetable? I know it’s different on everybody because I know it’s a Kickstarter. So, it’s, you know, a few months? Or what are we looking at as far as, Jason, the timetable?

Jason: [00:28:16] Yep. So, the way Kickstarter works is, you kind of back our project to help us make the initial manufacturing order. We’ve got all the research and engineering piece done. And so, we’re ordering that from the manufacturers right now with the help of folks on Kickstarter. And we’ll be delivering those units first to the Kickstarter backers before anyone else in the world gets one, and we’re going to aim to do it no later than February. So, we’re actually trying to beat that. And the insider’s secret, so to speak, is that we’re trying to beat delivering it before the end of the year. But we’re conservatively estimating February for delivery.

J.B.: [00:28:58] Fantastic. That’s great, Jason. I mean, like I said, I wish I would have got into this in January or February or March, you know? Because I would love to have that device, but we’re all going to do our baselines. And, you know, we’ve got our Polar H10’s, and everybody’s kind of getting them. But I know everybody’s going to be excited to hear that. I haven’t really announced that yet. And that’s just going to make this so much easier. And I think, like I said, I think our best thing to do is get everybody rocking this. Really, you know, getting their HRV, you know, getting, starting to understand it more and more and more.

J.B.: [00:29:26] And then I would love to have you on the show, and we can take some questions from a lot of our Morning Coachers and discuss, you know, hey, this is what’s going on. What can we do here? How can I use this? And really, like I, you know, I’d mentioned to you, I really think this is going to revolutionize a lot of things. I think people can be more efficient in studying. And, I think people will be, you know, have better athletic performance. I don’t know if you know this, but I’m already using with a couple of my professional golfers and on their days where we’re using meditation to kind of get them ready for their tournaments. So, I just see this as a really cool area. And it’s such a bleeding area. It’s a new area, you know, because the technology’s just finally catching up to it that we can really start to improve people’s health and give them another indicator. And I’m kind of a data nerd myself.

J.B.: [00:30:13] And part of the problem with meditation and part of the problem with even being positive every day and starting your morning off with a show like Morning Coach is there’s not a lot of data or anything that says this is really working. But now, we have something that can show that, hey, if you listen to Morning Coach, you’re feeling well better, you’re getting parasympathetic, and you’re a little more in a relaxed state, you’re going to handle your day better. I’ve got an indicator. Now, I can show some value into what I’m doing, you know? Now, and the opposite, if everybody that listens to Morning Coach gets stressed out and goes into fight or flight, then I got a little issue, right? Then I got to work on my message.

J.B.: [00:30:46] Definitely an awesome time to be alive. I think this data is going to be great. And I think, you know, one of the big things we’re doing on this show is trying to get people more aware of their own health. You know, getting out there, taking some of their own blood, you know, understanding what’s going on in the inside, and this is just another great indicator they can add add to your life and to your, to your performance. I love it.

Jason: [00:31:09] Thanks, J.B. Yeah, I appreciate it. You know, one of the things that’s important to add to that real quick is that we don’t really have a goal in life of just tracking everything all the time. Right? So, one of the things that we’ve really tried to take to heart- because we use this ourselves in day to day life- is that we’re trying to minimize the amount of time that it takes to track important things about yourself and also maximize the value of that for decision making. That’s really what we’re trying to do here. If you’re really track, if you’re tracking anything, it’s usually so that you can make a better decision. Right? And so, you want to just get to the decision making part as quickly as possible while having high-quality data to make that decision. So, that’s what we aim to do. We try to make it real high-quality, easy to use, but get you back into what you’re actually trying to do which is, you know, make better decisions and improve your health and improve your life. Things like that.

J.B.: [00:32:06] It’s awesome, Jason. Well, you know, thank you again for being on the show. So, the Kickstarter, in case you want to run there now, is CorSense. I’m going to send you the link out in email. We’re going to put it up on Facebook. And Jason, like I said, I love, you know, your company, Elite HRV. You’re getting started. You are growing. And, you’re getting things going. I think that’s the type of company we like to support here at Morning Coach. Juice. So, that’s cool. You’re passionate about it. And you know, I can’t wait to have you back on the show. So, you know, if that’s cool with you. But we’ll close the show. If you got anything that you want to add here before we head out, that’d be fantastic, and then we’ll let everybody get their day started.

Jason: [00:32:40] Great. Thanks, J.B. No. Thanks for listening, everybody. And, you know, our small team really appreciates the help and exposure from folks like you. Yeah, have a great day, everyone.

J.B.: [00:32:51] Awesome. Awesome. Well, everybody, go out there. Have a great one. I will be sending the email. Check Facebook. If you don’t get the email or are looking for this, you know you can get me at [email protected]. Just send it in. The team will get you the information on, you know, helping them with CorSense and the new Kickstarter. And in the meantime, let’s continue to get our baseline here, because this is exciting. I mean, this is, this is game changing. And, you know, you’re kind of some of the only people that know this, and that’s a cool thing.

J.B.: [00:33:16] So, get out there. Go have a great day. I’ll be back tomorrow. We’ll get back to the regular show here, and we’ll keep the energy going. But thanks for being here. Thanks for the subscribes. Thanks for the shares. You know, I love you. I do. Being a part of this, we’re putting good energy out there. We’re going to continue to do it every day. And I’ll be right back here tomorrow to get your morning started. But look for that email so we can help get this, to support these guys with this new HRV monitorings. Awesome, awesome stuff. All right? Go have a great day.

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