Hello and welcome to this week’s episode of the Your Revolution podcast. My name’s Jane Erbacher and I’m your host. I’m in Bright and I’m with one of my really good friends, Matt Murphy. Hi, Matty.
Matt Murphy: Hey, hey.
Jane Erbacher: It’s actually pretty much the most perfect day outside.
Matt Murphy: Well if it was gonna be a video for a podcast, it would be good to get a snapshot of where we’re sitting at.
Jane Erbacher: I feel like today would’ve been the day for it. You’re looking pretty nice with your head back around your neck and your shirt on. I’m so excite dot have you on the podcast. I was saying to you just before that I think I’ve actually been asking you for a year to be on it now. Finally, our paths have aligned and you’re on it. I’m really excited and there’s so much for me to talk to you about and I want to introduce you today in the way that I met you, which was a pretty funny way. I actually don’t know if you remember it, but I was doing my very first Spartan race and I saw you standing there. I think it was Ironage arena.
Matt Murphy: Yup. Yup.
Jane Erbacher: My friend and I were like, “Oh my God. It’s Matt Murphy.” And I knew you from Search4Hurt, a T.V. that I had watched every of and loved every episode and learned so much from you because at that point was when I just over my gym and I couldn’t believe what A, you got out of yourself in the way that you trained but also what that really taught is what people can actually get out of themselves in terms of training and really pushing the boundaries and it really did … This is what I came up to you and said. It really did revolutionise the way I trained and the way I trained other people.
I don’t know if you realise what an impact you have had on me and so many others just through the experiences of yours that you’ve documented. I think that we’re really, really lucky because .. To have come into contact with you. I came up to you in the Ironage tent or pavilion or whatever the hell it was and I introduced myself and told you I was a big fan. I remember thinking, “Oh cool. I’m going to be the biggest dork.” You were just like, “Oh what’s your name and what do you do?” You just started asking me all these questions. I was like, “I’m pretty sure I’m not interesting one here. I’m pretty sure you are.”
That’s how I met you and from there, we just become really good friends.
Matt Murphy: Every now and then, bounce a message back and forth.
Jane Erbacher: I know.
Matt Murphy: Going over the last 9 months, a year. I guess, just, more fortnightly chats, more fortnightly weekly message on Facebook, et cetera.
Jane Erbacher: I think the interesting thing about you I looked at you like you knew everything and you were the coolest and you trained with everybody and you knew everybody and I think one of my favourite things about you is that you’re actually so humble. You always think, “No, there’s more for me to learn.” The reason that you’ve put yourself into those situations where you’re around those experts and those people was because you do really respect … I think it’s my phone. Siri thinks I’m like talking to her.
You do put yourself in a situation where you are the learned and you never, never think that you know everything. I think that’s probably one of the most enduring qualities about you. In our industry, you are absolutely far and away one of the absolute leaders and I think that putting yourself in that position really just shows how humble you are. Thank you so much for being on the show.
Matt Murphy: No worries at all.
Jane Erbacher: I don’t think you realise that the interview was just going to be me talking to you.
Matt Murphy: It’s okay.
Jane Erbacher: The very first thing, I wanted people to know exactly who you are. I would love if you could give us a bit of your history on your triathlon, Korea, and what led to you now, really.
Matt Murphy: Cool. All right. Well, I grew up in rural New South Wales in a small town called Gulgong. We had a farm there. I could run pretty fast. I won one of two state championships, sort of national level cross country as school, 14 and 15. My first coach, Margaret Beardsley, she saw me at a national running even. She said to me, “Can you ride a bike.” I said, “Yeah. I can ride a bike. I’m on a farm so I can ride a push bike.” She said, “Can you swim.” And I really couldn’t swim so that was a bit of an issue. I learned to swim in about … I could survive, but I learned to swim fast at about 15, 16.
Then my family decided to sell the farm at Gulgong, just hard times, et cetera. We moved to the central coast to a little town where I learned to swim decently fast. That’s when the whole triathlon thing really took off. I was sort of national champion for triathlon and cross country through that period of time until 18, 19.
By the time I got to just 19, I moved to America for two years in a town called Jackson Hall up in the Rocky Mountains in Wyoming. While up there, I was hanging and living with the world number one female, so I pretty much just learned for two years. Just hung out with the world’s best. I was her pacer because she was training for the Athens Olympics. I was just getting all these miles in the bank. Training, training, racing, racing, and starting to get some pretty solid results for late men. I got to the point where I represent Australia down to 23’s in the late men. I think I was ranked top 15 in the world for late men and top five to seven for under 23 men.
Then, all of a sudden, I think 2002. Maybe 2004. I had two grade two stress fractures in both my femurs and that pretty much put everything on the sideline. I did my personal training course up in Lodge. Personal training business called High Tide that was on the Central Coast, had about 400 clients, maybe more. Had that for five years and was going absolutely crazy. Then, all of a sudden this comet came through my life, which is my now wife Elise. And boom, I pretty much met Elisa and got rid of the business. Just flipped another page in my life. From there, we’ve been married now six years.
Jane Erbacher: And you have a very interesting long story.
Matt Murphy: Yes. We got married after a month. Or three weeks. We got married after three weeks. We knew each other for a bit over a month and we got married after three weeks. That was pretty crazy. I asked her to marry me after a week pretty much.
Jane Erbacher: Yes. I love it.
Matt Murphy: That’s crazy.
Jane Erbacher: She’s awesome. I probably would ask her to marry me too.
Matt Murphy: Now we’ve got a little son called Jack. But in the meantime of that, I’ve just stayed really active and had the T.V show starting four years ago called Search4Hurt. I was lucky enough to travel a fair bit … A lot of Australia and New Zealand, a little bit of Asia, a little bit of America for Search4Hurt where I got to hang out with the best athletes and/or teams in any chosen sport around the world. We had a … I think now 16, 32, 48 episodes I guess. That was pretty awesome.
In between all that, trying to train and still be a competitive athlete in more the ultra or trial running world/OCI obstacle course racing. That’s where I’m at now is pretty much obstacle course racing, trial running, and trying to … Top three to five in the world is sort of the goal. Home, mortgage, business, et cetera can get in the way of some of the things. But having really strict goals around what I’m capable of. Number one, I wouldn’t say it’s unachievable but I think I would have to make too many sacrifices that are to important. Family mortgage business, which I’m not willing to sacrifice just to be at the top of the world podium.
Jane Erbacher: Whereabouts on the world ranking would you be right now?
Matt Murphy: Probably five to seven. I would imagine something like that in the OCI world. On any given day at altitude, I think I’d be five to seven. At altitude, I probably be top 12 but at sea level I imagine top five to seven.
Jane Erbacher: A couple weeks ago when I was here, I was running Project Row and Project Ski for Matty and one of my friends Til was here and he saw some of your trophies and stuff and was like, “Who is this guy? He’s actually won these events.” I was like, “You don’t even understand.” Would you have any idea of how many you’ve won?
Matt Murphy: Spartan race is 20 or 30.
Jane Erbacher: Wow. It’s really funny because I remember last year in Buffalo Stampede, so up here in Bright, you encouraged me to do it.
Matt Murphy: Yup.
Jane Erbacher: It was the best day of my life. No. It was-
Matt Murphy: -It’s a hard day. It’s a very, very hard day out.
Jane Erbacher: I have so much respect for you and anybody who hasn’t watched something like this, any kind of these events and it is the people who do them are incredible. And the people who win them are incredible. I have a feeling you were doing all three?
Matt Murphy: No, just 75 that year yet.
Jane Erbacher: Oh God. But the people who ran past me, back past me, I was like, “Oh my God, these people are so fast.” You’re amazing. I think that you’re amazing. I want to talk about Search4Hurt. So basically for anybody who hasn’t watched it, it’s amazing. The way I describe it to people is, you travel around the world and train with the best at whatever they were doing.
Matt Murphy: Yes.
Jane Erbacher: So teams and individuals. What you learned was what their training methodology was, what their mental capacity was in terms of resilience and stuff. You put yourself through it as well.
Matt Murphy: Yeah.
Jane Erbacher: I absolutely loved seeing you do that because what we saw, was we saw you out of your comfort zone a lot of times, which was really cool. You weren’t afraid to demonstrate that. What I also saw though, was that even though there’s a specific build for a lot of sports like body type and build, you can still really fight. This is one of my favourite episodes was you with Chad McKay.
Matt Murphy: Yup. Yup.
Jane Erbacher: That was like … It was really funny because he’s huge. HE’s so huge. You did really well next to him but it was just pretty obvious what you’re specific sport was and it was different to that but it doesn’t matter and it doesn’t mean that you can’t do it. You just might not be the best in it. What was your highlight in Search4Hurt?
Matt Murphy: I think the all encompassing, having the opportunity like that, that you really get to see what anything from Alex Honnold, the world’s best free-
Jane Erbacher: -That guy.
Matt Murphy: Clients as a rock climbers. All the way from him to hanging out with the Australian water polo team to hanging out with Danny Green. Hanging out with countless AFL teams. I think the full spectrum of everything at it’s golden crumbs. It’s freaking awesome.
Jane Erbacher: Which was the hardest workout ever, probably asked you that, sorry.
Matt Murphy: I think there’s different scales, I guess, like physically and emotionally … Not physically and emotionally. Maybe it will come out of it more once we talk about it, is sort of … I’d say more your contact sports. I’d say Danny Green and Jens Pulver. We all know Danny Green but Jens Pulver won the UFC world championship in 2002 or 2004 against BJ Penn. These guys can fight. I remember that the cameramen and the light guy were on the edge of the octagon and the cameraman looked at me and was going, “You are crazy. This is not going to end well.” At that point, I was like, “Wow. I’m actually really scared. I don’t know what’s going to happen.” I got two broken ribs in one of those and then I got knocked out twice boxing with Pulotsky I think his name is from the Brisbane Lion’s. He’s six foot seven and they just thought it was joke that I’d spar with him for 30 minutes.
Jane Erbacher: Oh my God.
Matt Murphy: Pretty done in. Then you know, you’ve got things that take complete skill to hockey or water polo. Trying to tread water for three hours with a water polo. Not allowed to touch the edge. All the … What would you say? I guess, complete lack of knowledge, lack of understanding about Alex Honnold how any why he would think about climbing a rock face that is completely controlled by nature and he does it without a rope and he thinks that he’s completely in control. Lovely, lovely guy, awesome human being, but it’s a rock face that is millions of years old.
Jane Erbacher: Totally.
Matt Murphy: Just being in complete awe that you would climb 1,000 foot face without a rope.
Jane Erbacher: And he has.
Matt Murphy: He’s done it.
Jane Erbacher: Can’t list him. I think I still remember that episode with you and I’m pretty sure I at least gave it a go as well. It was like your fingertips. You couldn’t grip the rope because there were no-
Matt Murphy: -It’s like gripping into a 20 cent piece that’s a wall-
Jane Erbacher: -Like a plaster wall. It’s unbelievable. I think that one of my favourite things about that show was that the people who have made it that point in whatever it is that they do, it’s not just physical anymore, it’s mental.
Matt Murphy: I think the biggest resounding fact of all the sports, men and woman that I train with is consistency and the whole 10,000 hours. If you start at a young age and your consistent until you get to 17, 18 and you do it nonstop, you somewhat become masterful and then you’re lucky, you might get paid to do the job and then you become even more masterful because you’re actually … You maybe not going [inaudible 00:16:01] you actually afford the luxury of … Not even luxury sometimes. That’s another reason that I did it was to be a full time athlete.
It’s not necessary a luxury. They wake up tired and sore and they have to go back at it. Lifting weights, whatever it is that they’re emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually drained but they still need to rock up. That seven figure or six figure contract that they have is all good and well but they’re limited time at that level. What do they do after that? They haven’t been to university. They maybe haven’t finished school because of the demands of their sport. It’s tough. It’s damn tough but its that one fact that if you remain consistent, you’ll become very masterful.
Jane Erbacher: It’s true. And that’s actually true whether you’re an athlete or not, in everything that you decide to do. I think that that’s the … We’re so wanting a quick fix. We’re so wanting a 28 day challenge or-
Matt Murphy: -The Western. It’s the Western world that we want … “I want to be the best in three months.” You need maybe 10 years and you’ll be very good.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah. Totally. I still remember, It’s really interesting. When you one time, did a Spartan race, I think it was on a Saturday and you came second and you knew that you could have done better than that. You woke up on a Sunday, you went back and you did it again and you ended up winning. Where does that kind of determination and drive come from?
Matt Murphy: I think an easy way to sum it up is we only think about how lucky we are and how many other people are less fortunate than us. If you can move well enough. I feel that I can move well in a specific sport, is that it would be an unjust thing to do not to be able to have a really good go. That’s someone’s got diabetes or someone’s … And they can’t participate in sports due to insulin dependence or whatever. Or they’re in a wheelchair, quadriplegic, whatever it is, is that I’m lucky that I have a choice to be able to do it so I might as well give it a really, red hot go. It’s just a mindset that there’s someone always less fortunate that is hurting a hell of a lot more than you right now.
Jane Erbacher: I absolutely love that because the place I come from with everything, is that it’s your choice to do it and not to do it and to put in the time. It definitely does get to a point where you have to choose if what you want is more than the sacrifices that you have to make in order to achieve and that’s the place a lot of people get stuck is what their priorities are. But to be great at something, you can still do it, you just have to choose to do it. You don’t have to sacrifice everything to be great, maybe to be excellent and the best in the world, you have to sacrifice everything else, but you can still be great.
I think that we are so … And I heard this on that T.V. show … What was it? Friday Night Lights. “Good enough is the enemy of great.” And it’s true. I think we live in a society of complacency. I think when somebody like you comes along, everyone’s like, “Oh wow. He’s just so good. I could never be that good.” But you’re only that good because of the effort you put in all the time. Like today, you went out running 20Ks with your dog. She loved it.
Matt Murphy: She loved it.
Jane Erbacher: She is currently wrapped up in all her blankets having a sleep. That was your decision to do. You were tired, you probably got up at five o’clock, you’ve got to [inaudible 00:19:13]. You’ve run a business. You train people. You do all these different things and you still got up and went running 20Ks and it’s just an interesting thing because I think that we’re so quick to excuse ourselves and then someone like you comes along and it’s like, “What’s your excuse?”
Matt Murphy: I also think that I see a lot that people put themselves down like, “I’m not that good at that.” I think just even trying something makes … It doesn’t make you good at it but it makes … You’ve had a crack at it-
Jane Erbacher: -Totally.
Matt Murphy: We all have our purpose in life, I believe, in that someone that can work an Excel spreadsheet at a masterful level … I’m able to run pretty fast like I can do some other stuff pretty good, but you’re able to operate an Excel spreadsheet very, very, very well. That’s what you spent your career doing and that’s an awesome thing, but now you want to come in the gym and squat 200 kilos. How long did it take you to become masterful at Excel spreadsheet? Then let’s look at this. Or if you’re marketing manager, if you’re a doctor. We all have a skill set and don’t put yourself down if you’re not masterful at something else.
Jane Erbacher: Exactly. And use what you’ve learned in that other skills set in terms of the transferability. You’ve put effort in to become great at something, then don’t be afraid to put effort in to become great at something else. It will be really satisfying even if it takes you time. Even if it takes you the rest of your life to get great at squatting 200 kilos or whatever. I feel like that’s something I’m wanting to be doing but I’m not. I agree with that.
Something I always ask people in the podcasts and it’s my favourite question to ask people and you just brought it up, is what do you feel then is your purpose in life?
Matt Murphy: My purpose in life. That’s a large one. I think there are a couple, obviously to bring Jack up, my son, in a really good healthy environment. Then obviously, be a good husband. I think away from that would be just to show people it’s good to be healthy and fun and to be able to move. So many people are trapped in this body whether they’re overweight, whether they’re a healthy weight, but they’re super, super stiff and they think that this is what they’re meant to be like. This is a reason that … We’re going to touch on this later but kind of resounds now that I’m opening up a new gym in Bright, is the things that I believe in helping fitness is cardiovascular output, some sort of strength regime, and moving very, very well. In this area, I believe hot yoga is a great way to do that, whether that’s a lot of different styles of yoga, which it will be but those three things and teaching people to move well, to have a good cardio output and be strong. Holy shit, what more do you need? There it is right there.
Jane Erbacher: Totally.
Matt Murphy: That’s, I guess, hopefully there’s not Bible bashers out there but that’s hopefully an ark that people can come to.
Jane Erbacher: I love it.
Matt Murphy: Be better about it. If you have a problem that I built something that I’ve referred to as an ark, send all things to-
Jane Erbacher: -To me.
Matt Murphy: It’s just to teach people to move and move well and not be stuck with pain.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah. To respect their body.
Matt Murphy: That would be my purpose is. Yeah.
Jane Erbacher: I think that what you’ve done so well and I’ve seen it because I’ve worked with your community, I’ve worked with Bright bootcamp quite a lot, is you’ve instilled in people an understanding of what they’re actually capable of. You’ve actually given them a lot of confidence because I think that moving well comes from both body and it comes from your head as well. If you’re convinced you can’t do something, it’s amazing how convincing you can actually be. I can see that with the people here. It’s like they’ve got a lot of confidence now with what they’re doing and I think it’s great. I’m so happy that you’re actually expanding because there’s so many people that need to have access to you. That was what I was also going to ask you as well. Tell us about this new-
Matt Murphy: -It’s going to be 270 square metre, very large shed with a decent size carpark and a large concrete area out the front. What we have in there is a 60 square metre yoga space so it should be able to fit 19 to 20 bodies in there. Then we’ll have … I guess you could say … I wouldn’t want to sum it up like this but it would be a 200 slightly less square metre crossfit box with some specific strength pieces in a way that crossfit may not use. So we’ll have some power cages all linked up. Obviously ropes hanging from the ceiling. That, I guess, people could get that image in their head that that’s what it is with a lot of mixed implements. [inaudible 00:23:30], skiers, rowers, Airdons-
Jane Erbacher: -Boxing.
Matt Murphy: Boxing classes will be in there. That would, I guess, give people a picture of what it is. From there, we’ll be just running a lot of cool stuff and people just coming down. I was looking at the some portal stuff the other day.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah. Awesome.
Matt Murphy: They’re going to cost a pretty penny to get here but I like coming. That guy’s a genius. It’d be awesome to have a guy like that come down to Bright and do stuff.
Jane Erbacher: And you know so many cool people in this industry. I think it’s going to be … I think it’s actually going to be really interesting to see the kinds of people that you can get there. I think something that you’ve done extremely well that I think a lot of people haven’t focused enough on is this creating really great connections within, not only the industry, but in the world. And you’ve made some really great friends along the way. I think I’m actually really excited about your new facility and I really keep thinking about how many people who don’t live in Bright still want to work with you. With all the people that you’ve got that you know, kind of around the world and around Australia, I think a really exciting opportunity is something that you’re thinking about, which is potentially like retreats or camps or something like that. Is that something that-?
Matt Murphy: -I think it’d be … With all the people that I’ve got to hang out with for Search4Hurt, stay in touch with, a few of them especially. When I was in the Ironage days, I’d be out … A lot of the companies utilised Ironage equipment. We’ve always stayed in touch whether it’s [inaudible 00:24:58] sharks, Sydney Swans or you to come and run camps or some of the Brazilian Ju Jitsu guys that are amazing in Sydney. They can come and do stuff down here. It’s a great environment. The gym will have the facilities to be able to cope with a full football team, which can be difficult in some towns especially … The town may have amazing picturesque mountains and such but the towns too small to have a facility that a full football team can go through. That was one of the other things that I took into account. That we could actually service a football team.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah. Awesome. And also just ordinary people like me who are like, “I really want to go train with Matt Murphy.”
Matt Murphy: Well the tourism in Bright, it’s mad. So many people want that form of escape.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah.
Matt Murphy: And they want to carry their fitness with them, as we were talking about earlier.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah.
Matt Murphy: You want to go away for a week or a weekend, whatever that is and you don’t want to sacrifice the fitness side of things because you worked so hard to get to where you are that you don’t want to lose it.
Jane Erbacher: It’s 100% and the cool thing about here is that it’s like you’re going to have a great facility indoors and then you’ve also got the incredible outdoors, which I don’t know if there’s anyone who knows the trails better than you around here.
Matt Murphy: There are some guys we did a run on the weekend that I’ve never seen the trails before and I was blown away. I was like … It’s like on my back doorstep and I don’t even know that trail.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah. It’s amazing. It’s so funny. Every time I drive into Bright, I look at the trails from the road and I’m like, “I think that was in Buffalo Stampede.” I look for the most brutal ones. Seriously, it’s amazing. Well, that’s basically all I want to talk about today.
Matt Murphy: Yeah. It’s good. It’s always a pleasure to catch up, Jane.
Jane Erbacher: The best.
Matt Murphy: Yeah. Obviously we’re going out to train in about 45 minutes. We’ll be out in the shed.
Jane Erbacher: Can’t wait. I have to thank you officially for the opportunities that you’ve actually given me and not just from afar before I knew you, which really did change the direction of my life. But since knowing you, you have engaged with me so well. You’ve introduced me to so many people. You’ve offered me opportunities. You’ve had me here for Project Row and Project Ski. I really feel so grateful that you’ve helped me so much so thank you so much.
Matt Murphy: Absolute pleasure. Good people deserve good opportunity.
Jane Erbacher: You’re the best. Thank you everyone for listening. Bye.