I first noticed it when testing a sample of Dark Rebel. Supposedly it is used pretty heavily in Miu Miu, which I have not tried. I was looking at MonteBlanc Explorer today, and it also has this in there. Then, for todays sampling I tried Fougere d'Argent, and it is used here as well, and my untrained nose is starting to get a bit more clear picture of it. It seems to me to be a less "dirty hippy" patchouli, almost in line with the amberwood norlimbanol fake wood things. I've read it is a Givauden captive (which I had to look up the definition of), so it will only be used by them. It says it came out in 2011, though I have not smelled or seen it listed often. I like the note.